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Panzer Abteilung 206 Turmnummer 225 command tank
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Panzerman1984,
Could you tell us how do you know that this "beute" Hotchkiss H 39 tank belongs to Pz-Abt. 206?
AFAIK, the command tank of 2 Kp. of Pz.Abt. 206 was a Somua S 35 not a H 39.
Emmanuel
Could you tell us how do you know that this "beute" Hotchkiss H 39 tank belongs to Pz-Abt. 206?
AFAIK, the command tank of 2 Kp. of Pz.Abt. 206 was a Somua S 35 not a H 39.
Emmanuel
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Maybe it's just my eyes, but isn't that turret number 725?
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Hi Emmanuel, you may be correct. When I acquired this grouping with had other photos (without tanks)....it was sold as being part of Panzer Ersatz und Aus Abt 100. through my research and help with member "Niels", we were able to debunk that this tank belonged to 100, as they did not use short barreled H39. However, it has been noted that Panzer Abteilung 206 did use such guns. They also used the white numbering with black outline for turmnummer. So it seemed to a better probability. However, I guess you are right that another unit could have used the short barreled gun. I have given up on this grouping as their is too much misinformation, and I haven't had the time to pin down other units. Most used the regular long barrel.
Sean, you could also be correct about the 725, but when we were researching, we were searching for 225. Might be a new start for me to want to give this group a second look. Thanks to you both
Sean, you could also be correct about the 725, but when we were researching, we were searching for 225. Might be a new start for me to want to give this group a second look. Thanks to you both
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You talked indeed to the right expert !panzerman1984 wrote: help with member "Niels"
I’m not saying that the H 39 cannot belong to Pz.-Abt. 206, just that it could not be a command tank with the number Nr. 225. (recent information from Niels).
Did you find any clue on the pictures that gave an indication of the location (France ? Paris area ? Normandy ?) and the date?
It seems to me that the numbering on the picture has a white outline instead.panzerman1984 wrote: They also used the white numbering with black outline for turmnummer
Nr. 725 would definitely exclude Pz.Abt. 206 as well as typically all stand-alone « beute » Pz-Abteilungen as they did not have a 7th company.Sean N wrote:Maybe it's just my eyes, but isn't that turret number 725?
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Having had another look, I'd say definitely 725 with black or red numbers with white or light coloured outline.
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Thanks for the info guys. IS it possible it could be a "025", more of a squared type of "0", which would make sense for a command tank?? Who knows? The panzermans head is in the way. So I guess we cannot confirm this is part of the 206th. And if I had to guess based on some of the other pics from the group, I would say some were taken in France, but some show him looking younger and w/ a panzer beret so are from earlier years (1940).
heres a better shot
heres a better shot
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Would still love to talk about the H39, but here are a couple more
*Here is a French Renault UE named Annie now in service of the Wehrmacht
* And a bunch of captured FT17's ready for WH use
*Here is a French Renault UE named Annie now in service of the Wehrmacht
* And a bunch of captured FT17's ready for WH use
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I don't know, I had a play around with it in Photoshop and whichever way I cut it, it still looks like 725. I really think it is that, to be honest.panzerman1984 wrote:Thanks for the info guys. IS it possible it could be a "025", more of a squared type of "0", which would make sense for a command tank??
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After doing some cleaning up myself I could see where a 0 might be suggested: But since the 2 and 5 are not block or "squared off" numerals I think it unlikely they would use a block 0. But stranger things have happened.Sean N wrote:I don't know, I had a play around with it in Photoshop and whichever way I cut it, it still looks like 725. I really think it is that, to be honest.panzerman1984 wrote:Thanks for the info guys. IS it possible it could be a "025", more of a squared type of "0", which would make sense for a command tank??
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Thanks for the interest again guys, really. Love looking into this stuff. But Yeah..... its one of those things we'll never know. At the very least, now I know I cant affirmatively attribute it to the 206th. And youre right Max, Ive seen various numbering schemes. Even have a photo of a Panzer III command tank "R03" in France.....so different units certainly used various number/letter turmnummer.
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Hi,
here a pic of a captured Hotchkiss W 15 T (source of the pic: an expired ebay auction).
Regards
Bert
here a pic of a captured Hotchkiss W 15 T (source of the pic: an expired ebay auction).
Regards
Bert
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Hi Alan,
I believe Bert's W 15T is the version of the Laffly S 15T manufactured by Hotchkiss. That looks like the Hotchkiss radiator badge:
I believe Bert's W 15T is the version of the Laffly S 15T manufactured by Hotchkiss. That looks like the Hotchkiss radiator badge:
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Hi Alan, hi Max,
thanks for the support. Here the oval badge of Laffly for comparing.
Regards
Bert
thanks for the support. Here the oval badge of Laffly for comparing.
Regards
Bert
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