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Zis 5,
Kerry
Kerry
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Repair captured Soviet STZ-5 tractor
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I am sure that this is a Zis 5, but is the "plumbing" under the load-bed part of a holzgas set-up?
Thanks,
Kerry
Thanks,
Kerry
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Hi Kerry,
in the booklet "ZIS - 5" by Nikolay Polikarpov I have found a pic of a similar version of such a truck with the caption: "The high-pressure gas powered ZIS - 5 truck prototype".
Regards
Bert
in the booklet "ZIS - 5" by Nikolay Polikarpov I have found a pic of a similar version of such a truck with the caption: "The high-pressure gas powered ZIS - 5 truck prototype".
Regards
Bert
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Thank you Bert, that is very interesting. I am guessing it was powered by pressurised gas in a cylinder of some sort. It must have reached some sort of series production for this one to be in Wehrmacht service. I do not know where to find more information, but I will try!
Thanks again, it was very helpful,
Regards,
Kerry.
Thanks again, it was very helpful,
Regards,
Kerry.
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Hi Kerry!
I have some good reasons to believe the vehicle on your picture is ordinary ZiS-5 with additional fuel tank, apparently German field upgrade.
Regards!
I have some good reasons to believe the vehicle on your picture is ordinary ZiS-5 with additional fuel tank, apparently German field upgrade.
Regards!
"...and on the 8th day He made truck so that man, made on 7th day, had shelter when woman threw him out for the night."
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Hi ilfil,
Thank you for your answer. But, if the large cylinder is the extra fuel tank, what is the heavy ptpe above, with the bolted end cap? I have only seen such pipes as part of a wood-gas producer.
Thanks again,
Kerry.
Thank you for your answer. But, if the large cylinder is the extra fuel tank, what is the heavy ptpe above, with the bolted end cap? I have only seen such pipes as part of a wood-gas producer.
Thanks again,
Kerry.
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Hi Kerry!
Indeed, the thing visible above the cylindrical fuel tank looks like gas cooling/condensing cylinder associated with woodburning systems. But normally they were at least 3, in the systems used by the Russians at least. So for me the purpose of this particular part is still a mystery
The large cylinder is fuel tank, no doubt. It is a rule the tanks for gases/liquids under pressure are with convex ends which isn't the case here, that's why I think this is normal fuel tank.
I guess there was also another extra fuel tank into the body. Note the small pipe leading from the body and into the cab side, I guess it was connected with the main fuel tank under the seat. The diameter of this pipe is apparently too small to associate it with any woodburning system.
And more, you know the refuelling of the vehicles runnung on pressurized gas is too specific and requires special equipment. That's why those trucks weren't much used in the USSR and were few; more: they were never used by the Red Army. AFAIK the designation of these pressurized gas burning trucks produced by "Stalin" factory in Moscow was ZiS-30. Although few, some were captured by the Germans, perhaps, but I'm in doubt they were ever used in the field.
BTW, on Bert's picture there is one-off prototype.
HTH
Regards!
Indeed, the thing visible above the cylindrical fuel tank looks like gas cooling/condensing cylinder associated with woodburning systems. But normally they were at least 3, in the systems used by the Russians at least. So for me the purpose of this particular part is still a mystery
The large cylinder is fuel tank, no doubt. It is a rule the tanks for gases/liquids under pressure are with convex ends which isn't the case here, that's why I think this is normal fuel tank.
I guess there was also another extra fuel tank into the body. Note the small pipe leading from the body and into the cab side, I guess it was connected with the main fuel tank under the seat. The diameter of this pipe is apparently too small to associate it with any woodburning system.
And more, you know the refuelling of the vehicles runnung on pressurized gas is too specific and requires special equipment. That's why those trucks weren't much used in the USSR and were few; more: they were never used by the Red Army. AFAIK the designation of these pressurized gas burning trucks produced by "Stalin" factory in Moscow was ZiS-30. Although few, some were captured by the Germans, perhaps, but I'm in doubt they were ever used in the field.
BTW, on Bert's picture there is one-off prototype.
HTH
Regards!
"...and on the 8th day He made truck so that man, made on 7th day, had shelter when woman threw him out for the night."
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Hello again ilfil (sorry, I only have your forum name),
I have been making further studies, and I am still of the opinion that this is a wood-gas propelled vehicle. I agree that only one condenser tube is visible, but it is entirely possible that more of the apparatus is mounted on the front, not visible in this photo. I do agree on the extra fuel tank, it does not appear robust enough to contain pressurised gas or liquid, so just that, a liquid fuel tank. Close inspection of the print does seem to show the top of the gas boiler over the cab, and the sides to the right and through the rear window. Of course, this is open to interpretation, it could be an object behind the truck or in the load bed. I am, as ever, open to being proven wrong, and would be happy to listen to any further reasoning.
Thank you for continuing to make this forum both interesting and informative,
best regards,
Kerry.
I have been making further studies, and I am still of the opinion that this is a wood-gas propelled vehicle. I agree that only one condenser tube is visible, but it is entirely possible that more of the apparatus is mounted on the front, not visible in this photo. I do agree on the extra fuel tank, it does not appear robust enough to contain pressurised gas or liquid, so just that, a liquid fuel tank. Close inspection of the print does seem to show the top of the gas boiler over the cab, and the sides to the right and through the rear window. Of course, this is open to interpretation, it could be an object behind the truck or in the load bed. I am, as ever, open to being proven wrong, and would be happy to listen to any further reasoning.
Thank you for continuing to make this forum both interesting and informative,
best regards,
Kerry.
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Hi all,
S-65 tractor:
Image from EBay
Sturm78
S-65 tractor:
Image from EBay
Sturm78
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Hi all,
Another S-65 tractor in German service:
Image from EBay
Sturm78
Another S-65 tractor in German service:
Image from EBay
Sturm78
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Hi,
here a pic with captured Russian light T 70 tanks in German use.
Regards
Bert
here a pic with captured Russian light T 70 tanks in German use.
Regards
Bert
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Gaz 415 pickup with the canvas tilt mounted,
Kerry.
Kerry.
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Hi,
here a pic of a captured Russian bus type ZiS - 16 (source of the pic: an expired ebay auction).
Regards
Bert
here a pic of a captured Russian bus type ZiS - 16 (source of the pic: an expired ebay auction).
Regards
Bert
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