► Soft Skinned Vehicles

[kerryboo]

Despite being a horribly composed and executed photo I find this fascinating. It is, I believe, an uncommon Phanomen Granit 25H kubel, with a fierce-looking crew. The logo on the door places it in the war years, probably in the early days in France and Belgium. Whether it is a personal insignia or from a known unit, I have no notion. I hope you find it as interesting as I do,
Kerry.

[John Hilly]

Luftwaffe, I presume?

[kerryboo]

John,
No, the uniforms are Wehrmacht, but the logo does show a skeleton riding a bomb, which suggests Luftaffe. Stolen car? "Borrowed"? It is a puzzle to me too.
Kerry.

[kerryboo]

Looking again, if it is a bomb, the skeleton is facing backwards. Perhaps it is an artillery shell and the troops are artillerymen.
Kerry.

[SIS 5]

Hi Kerry,

I was looking for all the emblems of the squadrons of Luftwaffe, but I couldn´t find a similar logo. There are figures riding a bomb, but always in an up - down direction.

To the car: I don´t think that it is a Phänomen Granit 25: I assume that it is a Stoewer type M 12. Please, have a look on Holger´s site. There are pics of both cars.

Regards

Bert

[kerryboo]

Bert,
I bow to your identification, I was mesmerised by the vent louvres on the bonnet sides and missed some other ID points, like the lack of louvres on the top. As I said in the post before, I also doubted Luftwaffe ownership, but do not know what unit is represented, but it is reasonably certain that it is Wehrmacht,
Kerry.

[Sturm78]

Hi all,

Magirus M25-27-30 ??? Luftwaffe truck

Image from EBay
Sturm78

[SIS 5]

Hi Sturm 78,

on Your pic is either the type M 27 a or the type M 30 a. But it is nearly impossible to say which one is on Your pic because You don´t see the whole vehicle. Here the differences between these two types:
tyres: 7,00-20 (M 27a), 7,25-20 (M 30a)
front track: 1675mm (M 27a), 1622mm (M 30a)
wheelbase: 4250mm (M 27a), 4500mm (M 30a)
loading space: 3800x2100mm (M 27a), 4200x2100mm (M 30a)
length: 3800mm (M 27a), 4200mm (M 30a)
(source of the information: Autotypenbuch. Typentafeln der Deutschen Kraftfahrzeugindustrie 1937).

Regards

Bert

[John Hilly]

Off topic:
The guy in picture seems to be a new recruit on the way to marching drill or something.
Look how his boots shine!

[SIS 5]

Hi,

here a pic woth a Mercedes-Benz type L 4500 A with an interesting superstructure on the rear (source of the pic: an expired ebay auction).

Regards

Bert

[Sturm78]

Bert wrote
on Your pic is either the type M 27 a or the type M 30 a. But it is nearly impossible to say which one is on Your pic because You don´t see the whole vehicle. Here the differences between these two types:
tyres: 7,00-20 (M 27a), 7,25-20 (M 30a)
front track: 1675mm (M 27a), 1622mm (M 30a)
wheelbase: 4250mm (M 27a), 4500mm (M 30a)
loading space: 3800x2100mm (M 27a), 4200x2100mm (M 30a)
length: 3800mm (M 27a), 4200mm (M 30a)
(source of the information: Autotypenbuch. Typentafeln der Deutschen Kraftfahrzeugindustrie 1937).

Thank you for your answer, Bert.

Here another image from EBay. I am not sure about the exact model. I think Mercedes-Benz G3a kfz.61 Fernschreibkraftwagen ???

Regards Sturm78

[kerryboo]

Here is another of the soft-top Blitzes. The registration is in the same series as the earlier example, possibly even the same truck.
Kerry.

[JP302]

Hi,

here a pic woth a Mercedes-Benz type L 4500 A with an interesting superstructure on the rear (source of the pic: an expired ebay auction).

Regards

Bert

Bert,

I have some extra info about your Mercedes-Benz L4500 A :
The divisional sign on the left front fender is from Schw. Pz. Abt. 512. I suppose you know the video fragment from the "Iserlohn surrender" (Youtube) of what was left of the 512th. In that video you can see a MB L4500 A driving with the Jagdtigers on the big Square. That MB has the same superstructure as on your photo so it is even possible that the MB-truck on the video is the same one...
One can also see on that video a Steyr 1500 driving into the Square. In one of the Panzerwrecks-books there is a clear photo of the side of this Steyr. The divisional sign is the same as on the MB L4500 A.

Greetz,

Bert

[Sturm78]

Hi all,

Magirus M50 ??

Image from EBay
Sturm78

[SIS 5]

Hi Sturm 78,

on Your pic is the successor of the M 50, the type L 145 or L 150.

Regards

Bert