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Post by kerryboo » 22 Mar 2014, 11:51

The third might be a BMW 320 Kfz1.
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Post by kerryboo » 22 Mar 2014, 11:54

I must get more sleep! I meant BMW 309, but not 100% sure,
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Post by kerryboo » 22 Mar 2014, 12:00

I think that I only got my name right in the last 2. Kfz2.
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Post by pietvanhees » 22 Mar 2014, 13:10

Hi guys,

Not exactly my expertise, but definatly not Pheanomen and Adler's I can't find with wheels like these. Could it be Mercedes?

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Post by pietvanhees » 22 Mar 2014, 13:16

kerryboo wrote:I must get more sleep! I meant BMW 309, but not 100% sure,
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more BMW 303, to me. the wheelbase of the 309 seems longer.

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Post by pietvanhees » 22 Mar 2014, 13:23

Sturm78 wrote: Any idea about my other two images?
Sturm78
The Hanomag seems indeed hanomag to me, but not the 4, the radiator is much more straight on a 4. More like the nose of a Hanomag Garant. (I've got a picture somewhere....)

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Post by SIS 5 » 22 Mar 2014, 20:15

Hi Sturm 78, hi Kerry, hi Piet,

very interesting discussion. Here my thoughts to the cars Sturm posted:
pic 1: Adler type 12 N - RW (source of the pic: "Deutsche Fahrzeugraritäten (2)" by Henry Hoppe)
pic 2: I have never seen such a Kübelwagen, but I´m following the ID from Piet: Hanomag type Garant. Here a pic of a civilian car (source of the pic: "Deutsche Autos 1920 - 1945" by Werner Oswald.
pic 3: BMW type 309 (source of the pic: "Kraftfahrzeuge und Panzer" by Werner Oswald).

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Post by SIS 5 » 22 Mar 2014, 20:36

Hi Piet,

You are right, the car on Your pic is a Mercedes-Benz, I think it is the type 260 "Stuttgart". Have a look on the emblem of Mercedes-Benz, the star, on the bonnet. (source of the pic: "Deutsche Fahrzeugraritäten (2)" by Henry Hoppe).

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Post by Sturm78 » 23 Mar 2014, 00:14

Bert wrote
very interesting discussion. Here my thoughts to the cars Sturm posted:
pic 1: Adler type 12 N - RW (source of the pic: "Deutsche Fahrzeugraritäten (2)" by Henry Hoppe)
pic 2: I have never seen such a Kübelwagen, but I´m following the ID from Piet: Hanomag type Garant. Here a pic of a civilian car (source of the pic: "Deutsche Autos 1920 - 1945" by Werner Oswald.
pic 3: BMW type 309 (source of the pic: "Kraftfahrzeuge und Panzer" by Werner Oswald).
Thank you for your reply, Bert.

About the vehicle of my image 2, Why not a Hanomag 4/23 PKW ?? :?

On the other hand, two more images of PKWs from EBay:

Image 1: Adler 12N ?? I am not sure because in all the pictures I've seen of this PKW, the spare wheel reveals the second group of vents at the sides of the Bonnet but in this image the spare wheels hides these vents. :? See http://www.kfzderwehrmacht.de/Homepage_ ... wagen.html

Image 2: MB 170V or 170VK ??

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Post by SIS 5 » 23 Mar 2014, 20:53

Hi Sturm 78,

thank You for Your reply. To Your question according to image 2: The Hanomag 4/20 hp (PS) and 4/23 hp (PS) has been manufactured between 1930 and 1933. Both types were externally identical. Here a pic of this car (source of the pic: "Deutsche Fahrzeugraritäten (2)" by Henry Hoppe). But I must correct my identification. It is not the type "Garant". Such a type was never produced for the Wehrmacht. It was the type "Rekord". I have found a list of Kübelwagen in the book "Kraftfahrzeuge und Panzer" by Werner Oswald. There were two variants of the type "Rekord": the first produced from 1934 - 1936 with an engine of 32 hp, the other from 1937 - 1938 with an engine of 35 hp. Here another pic of this Hanomag Kübelwagen "Rekord" (source: an ebay auction).

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Post by kerryboo » 24 Mar 2014, 12:22

This has the look of having been taken in France in the early days after Dunkirk. There are a number of Bedfords in the convoy, but what is the small truck in the lead? The austere soft-topped cab certainly has a military appearance.
Thank you,
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Post by Sturm78 » 25 Mar 2014, 11:29

Bert wrote
thank You for Your reply. To Your question according to image 2: The Hanomag 4/20 hp (PS) and 4/23 hp (PS) has been manufactured between 1930 and 1933. Both types were externally identical. Here a pic of this car (source of the pic: "Deutsche Fahrzeugraritäten (2)" by Henry Hoppe). But I must correct my identification. It is not the type "Garant". Such a type was never produced for the Wehrmacht. It was the type "Rekord". I have found a list of Kübelwagen in the book "Kraftfahrzeuge und Panzer" by Werner Oswald. There were two variants of the type "Rekord": the first produced from 1934 - 1936 with an engine of 32 hp, the other from 1937 - 1938 with an engine of 35 hp. Here another pic of this Hanomag Kübelwagen "Rekord" (source: an ebay auction).
Ummmhhhh...... :? I can not distinguish the car from my image of a Hanomag 4/23.
Whhich are the differences between a Hanomag 4/23 PKW and the Hanomag Rekord PKW ?? :?

See also http://www.kfzderwehrmacht.de/Homepage_ ... wagen.html

On the other hand, Any idea about my two images posted on 23 March?

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Post by SIS 5 » 25 Mar 2014, 16:28

Hi Sturm 78,

thank You very much for Your replay. I must excuse me again. I accepted informations uncritically.
"Both types were externally identical."- an information from Henry Hoppe. But that isn´t true. There are differences and different types. So I was looking for the different types in the book "Deutsche Autos" by Werner Oswald. There was the model 4/20 PS, type 63. That is the predecessor of the model 4/23 PS, type 11. On Holger´s site You can see it on pic 1.
From 1934 the model 4/23 PS got the name "Garant" and was produced in three different types: type 11/4 (1934 - 1935), type 11/35 (1935 - 1936) and type 11/36 (1936 - 1938). But I cannot tell You the exact distinctions. In any case on Your pic is the model 4/23 PS, or other name "Garant", either type 11/35 or 11/36. And I think on Holger´s site on the second pic is the type 11/36. So the list of Kübelwagen of Hanomag is not complete in the book "Kraftfahrzeuge und Panzer" by Werner Oswald.
I hope You can follow my explanations.

Now to the other cars: it could be one of the first Adler Kübelwagen, maybe on th chassis of the type "Favorite".
The other car is a Mercedes-Benz type 170 V, a car produced for the police 1937/38 (source of the information and the pic: "Mercedes PKW und LKW 1935 - 1945" by Dr. Hans-Georg Mayer-Stein).

Regards

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Post by fireindi64 » 25 Mar 2014, 20:54

Hello all

I found on e-bay this very interessting pic. For me its a unknown body.

like my opinion it looks like a Krupp protze with a open cab. The boy seems to be a wooden with antenna. looks like build by a factory not field modyfied.

Who gets the exact designation?

here is Holgers only similar Kfz 61 on krupp

http://www.kfzderwehrmacht.de/Hauptseit ... _fukw.html

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Re: Vehicle identity requests

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Post by Clive Mortimore » 26 Mar 2014, 01:34

kerryboo wrote:This has the look of having been taken in France in the early days after Dunkirk. There are a number of Bedfords in the convoy, but what is the small truck in the lead? The austere soft-topped cab certainly has a military appearance.
Thank you,
Kerry.
Hi Kerry

It looks like an early version of the Standard 12hp Light Utility.

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