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Re: Vehicle identity requests

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Post by dirk Peeters » 13 Jan 2017, 18:45

Thanks Kerry
Yes i took a lot of pictures from the end of the seventies
even on our honeymoon we took the time to search for old wrecks
My wife was even fond of cars as i and she had her own oldtimer car at that time
and i searched al these years up till know and yes i ll search even on the WWW to find such items
We used these pictures for restaurations of old timers and looking for parts
I recently digitalised my archive of cars and trucks
I m glad you like them
Dirk

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Post by Sturm78 » 13 Jan 2017, 22:20

ilfil wrote
Apparently Büssing-NAG Burglöwe of early 30s, most probably typ 25 or 30.
Max wrote
An early Büssing-NAG “Burglöwe”, I believe, not certain of the exact type of which there were many.
Thanks a lot to both....

Here, another question. Accordung to Ebay photocaption, a Ceirano lorry but...Does somebody knows the exact model and the purpose of this Regia Aeronautica truck ??

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Post by Bill Murray » 13 Jan 2017, 22:59

Hi Sturm:

This type of truck and it's era are not really in my area of research, but it does at least resemble a Ceirano 47C used in East Africa a little bit before WWII.

Not this particular type of Ceirano, but close maybe.

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Post by ilfil » 14 Jan 2017, 08:28

Hi Sturm,
Bill is right, it is Ceirano 47CM. Some special bodies on this chassis were used by Regia Aeronautica, it was available with different wheel bases and with solid tyres too. I guess the vehicle on your picture is a fire truck with tilt (has something like hose reel behind the rear fender). I have no idea why the tilt is there bit it might have dual purpose: to disguise the vehicle like GS truck and to protect the crew from elements and dust. Again: this is my guess only.
HTH
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Re: Vehicle identity requests

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Post by uncle » 14 Jan 2017, 21:41

Hi Friends!
truck in the middle?
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Post by ilfil » 14 Jan 2017, 22:35

Hi Uncle,
Looks French to me, some Bernard of the mid 30s DC series perhaps?

Now my question on this beauty:

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No ID needed, it is MAN, most probably on E3000 chassis:

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What I'm interested to know is its nationality, though. Judging from the company name above the windshield I think it is Slovenian or Slovakian:

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Can somebody help with the uniforms and/or number plate ID?

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TIA!
"...and on the 8th day He made truck so that man, made on 7th day, had shelter when woman threw him out for the night."

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Post by Sturm78 » 15 Jan 2017, 11:19

Bill wrote
This type of truck and it's era are not really in my area of research, but it does at least resemble a Ceirano 47C used in East Africa a little bit before WWII.

Not this particular type of Ceirano, but close maybe.
ilfil wrote
Bill is right, it is Ceirano 47CM. Some special bodies on this chassis were used by Regia Aeronautica, it was available with different wheel bases and with solid tyres too. I guess the vehicle on your picture is a fire truck with tilt (has something like hose reel behind the rear fender). I have no idea why the tilt is there bit it might have dual purpose: to disguise the vehicle like GS truck and to protect the crew from elements and dust. Again: this is my guess only.
Thanks a lot for your answers, Bill and ilfil

On the other hand, Can somebody identify this hungarian ambulance ??

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Re: Vehicle identity requests

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Post by ilfil » 15 Jan 2017, 12:11

Hi Sturm,
Ford BB, most probably domestic coachbuilder's body on chassis of domestic assembly.
The same body was available also on newer chassis, such like this 1938 or 39 model :

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Cheers!
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Re: Vehicle identity requests

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Post by dog » 15 Jan 2017, 13:08

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1. Serbian cyrillic inscription for Brothers ... second word is family name
2. Latin inscription for brothers "Braća"

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Re: Vehicle identity requests

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Post by ilfil » 15 Jan 2017, 13:36

dog wrote:Image

1. Serbian cyrillic inscription for Brothers ... second word is family name
2. Latin inscription for brothers "Braća"
Hi Doggy,
Thanks for that, I didn't spot in time that 'Браћа' and, of course, I didn't get the company name is in Cyrillic and in Alphabet. Shame on me! :oops:
So now the hard question without answer, perhaps, is were the brothers Croatian or Serbian? I guess the number plates back then were the same all around Yugoslavia?
Thanks again anyway!
"...and on the 8th day He made truck so that man, made on 7th day, had shelter when woman threw him out for the night."

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Post by SIS 5 » 15 Jan 2017, 19:47

Hi ilfil,

excuse me, please. I know You don´t need the ID of the bus. It is a MAN. That´s clear. But I think it is not the type E 3000, but the type Z 2. On Holger´s site is a pic of this type of bus.

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Bert

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Post by ilfil » 15 Jan 2017, 21:05

Hi Bert,
What is the difference in those chassis indeed? I agree, my mistake was I said it is military chassis E 3000 instead of civilian E 2 which is basically the same. AFAIK the difference between E 2 and Z 2 chassis is in the engine only.
Thanks for that correction anyway.
Cheers!
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Post by SIS 5 » 15 Jan 2017, 23:32

Hi ilfil,

thanks for Your reply. For me it is no mistake, that You said it is a E 3000 (military type) or E 2 (civilian). For me there is a difference between E 2 / E 3000 and Z 2 not only in the engines, but also in the sides of the motor hood. Have a look on the grips for opening the motor hood! And there are two additional vertical slits down before the wings and three additional vertical slits behind the wings. I hope You understand what I mean. Here two pics of MAN busses type Z 2 of the Deutsche Reichspost.

Regards

Bert
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Post by SIS 5 » 15 Jan 2017, 23:50

Hi Strum 78, hi ilfil,

here another pic of this Ford BB - ambulance. B.t.w. the superstructure was made by the German firm Christian Miesen Fahrzeug- und Karosseriewerke in Bonn.

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Re: Vehicle identity requests

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Post by ilfil » 16 Jan 2017, 01:42

SIS 5 wrote:Hi ilfil,

thanks for Your reply. For me it is no mistake, that You said it is a E 3000 (military type) or E 2 (civilian). For me there is a difference between E 2 / E 3000 and Z 2 not only in the engines, but also in the sides of the motor hood. Have a look on the grips for opening the motor hood! And there are two additional vertical slits down before the wings and three additional vertical slits behind the wings. I hope You understand what I mean. Here two pics of MAN busses type Z 2 of the Deutsche Reichspost.

Regards

Bert
Hi Bert,
I think I got it. You mean this:

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Right?

About the ambulance body, I know it is of German origin but I didn't know the coachbuilder, thanks for that too. It was written somewhere that the Hungarians made their own bodies upon German specifications, that's why I guessed both the chassis and body are domestic affair. But now I'm not sure did the Hungarians assemble BB chassis at all?
Cheers!
"...and on the 8th day He made truck so that man, made on 7th day, had shelter when woman threw him out for the night."

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