Vehicle identity requests

[kerryboo]

Hello again John,
The straight bumper on the second vehicle point towards a Berliet GDRA. The French military ordered over 4000 of these in 1940, but only 1485 could be delivered prior to France's capitulation.
Cheers,
Kerry.

[john_g_kearney]

Many thanks, Kerry, I'll add that to my notes.

John.

[ilfil]

Hold on, guys, Berliet GDR7D is also with straight front bumper?
The picture is too small and not of best quality, I'll never dare to nail the exact model on it from such a distance.
Cheers!

[uncle]

Hi friends!
What's this???

[kerryboo]

ilfil,
I, personally, would be very wary of identifying it as a GDR7D, from all of the documentation I can find that was a post-war model. Also Vauvillier lists the GDR7 only as a fuel tanker in French military use. However, he does list the model GDR, known as GDRA by the French military,hence my identification. I will readily accept if my information is wrong, but this details my thinking in my identification. Also, although, yes, it is a poor quality and small scan, I still maintain that I see a slightly higher and straight bumper, not wrapping around the front wings and with the number plate below the bumper.
As I say, happy to be wrong and to adjust my records, but that is my identification.
All the best,
Kerry.

[ilfil]

Hi Kerry,
Thanks for this yet another educational chat!
Indeed, Vauvillier wrote only GDR7 tanker was used in the French army, but it isn't necessary "our" was ex-military truck.
And yes, GDR7D was available back then too. I knew it is also prewar model but now I know it was produced in 1935 - 1952 period:
http://www.guide-automobiles-anciennes. ... d-2120.htm
Cheers!

[kerryboo]

ilfil,
Thank you, I have updated my records, I had never seen information on the GDR7D prewar.
I admit I had only considered military models, it could indeed have been civilian.
Just for clarity though, the tanker was GDR7 not GDRA, the GDRA was a load-carrier, or GS, truck.
The military style bumper is still a worry to me, but, I guess, may be explained by the photo quality. On Kfz der Wehrmacht site it is possible to see the raised straight bumper, with in one case the number plate beneath, not a feature I have seen on civilian models. I do not know the purpose of the slightly diagonal white bar below the bumper, visible in both the query and the examples on Kfz. But, as you have proved, there is much more information out there which I may not have seen, I could still be barking up the wrong tree.
http://kfzderwehrmacht.de/Homepage_engl ... _gdra.html
Cheers,
Kerry.

[SIS 5]

Hi Kerry, hi ilfil,

after all I think that Kerry is right and that the Berliet truck on the pic is the type GDRA. Here a drawing and three pics for comparing.

Best regards

Bert

[ilfil]

Hi Kerry, hi ilfil,

after all I think that Kerry is right and that the Berliet truck on the pic is the type GDRA. Here a drawing and three pics for comparing.

Best regards

Bert

Hi Bert,
I didn't say Kerry isn't right, I just said I'll never dare to fix the exact model from such distance on a picture of such size and quality.

ilfil,
Thank you, I have updated my records, I had never seen information on the GDR7D prewar.

Hi Kerry,
Have a bit more, the big Berliets as they appear in a prewar reference on the French army vehicles, in "Camions reservoirs" section - two types on GDRA chassis, GDR7D and VDCN22:

I do not know the purpose of the slightly diagonal white bar below the bumper, visible in both the query and the examples on Kfz.

I guess this is a kind of safety device (to protect the engine sump?), looks like additional bumper:



Well visible also on the first picture of Bert.
Cheers and have nice Sunday!

[Sturm78]

uncle wrote
Масk EHU 1939.

Thanks a lot for your help, uncle

Sturm78

[uncle]

Hi Friends!
guys that for a truck?

[Maxschnauzer]

Hi uncle,
I think it may be French. It bears some similarity to this Bernard bus, but appears smaller:

[Sturm78]

Hi all,

Adler L6 ???

Image from Ebay
Sturm78

[Maxschnauzer]

Hi Sturm,
Nice pic showing the motor. I think you are right. Pics of this Type seem hard to find. Here's the only one I have. It looks somewhat longer but maybe that is the difference between the 2T and 2,5T ?

[ilfil]

Nice pic showing the motor.

Hi Max!
Why I think this close-up will make you happy?


Cheers!