Hungarian tanks?

[Orok]

Thanks Milan,

I have one more question: do you know the paint scheme of the 1. Panzer Division's PzKpfw 38(t) during the summer and fall of 1942 in Russia? Most English sources say it's tri-color camouflage. But from the balck and white pictures I've seen it appears to be solid to me. Do you have any information or good pictures? Does the book A Magyar Királyi Honvédség fegyverzete have any color plates for this tank?

Thank you very much and have a nice weekend!

Best Regards!

[Milan Szekelyhidi]

Thanks Milan,

I have one more question: do you know the paint scheme of the 1. Panzer Division's PzKpfw 38(t) during the summer and fall of 1942 in Russia? Most English sources say it's tri-color camouflage. But from the balck and white pictures I've seen it appears to be solid to me. Do you have any information or good pictures? Does the book A Magyar Királyi Honvédség fegyverzete have any color plates for this tank?

Thank you very much and have a nice weekend!

Best Regards!

Thank you!

I don't find colour photos for T-38, only this graphic.
Pz 38t from the 1st Field Armoured Division. The stencilled turret number is permanent but is not conforming to the regulation. Possibly this was the command tank of the 6th Heavy Company.
The insignia on the Pz IV F1 and Pz 38t was the national colours at Don river 1942-43.

Source: Promodell magazin 2003/1 and 2003/2, Dr. Mujzer Péter

More colour photos here:

http://www.thirdreichforum.com/viewtopi ... 728#306728


Milán

[Orok]

Thanks Milan a lot!

This is exactly what I want! You really helped me out! I can't express more of my gratitutde! Thank you very much again and have a nice day!

My Best Regards!

[Orok]

Hi Milan,

About the regulation numbering during the 1942 Russian campaign, my understanding is that the turret umber is in 3 digit. The first digit is the company number, the second is the platoon number and the third is the individual vehicle number. So tank number 222 should be the second tank of the second platoon of the second company of the 30/I battalion. The company commander's tank would have the middle number in "0".

So tank 604 could well be the commanding tank of the 6. company of the 30/II battalion. The 6th company was a heavy tank company equipped with PzKpfw IV F1 and F2, but the commanding tanks might be T-38 or toldi.

Am I right about the above?

Also, is there any correlation between the turret number and the plate number appeared in the small white plates in the front and rear of the tank?

Thank you very much!

[Milan Szekelyhidi]

Hi Milan,
Also, is there any correlation between the turret number and the plate number appeared in the small white plates in the front and rear of the tank?

I don't have more data for T-38 only there were same plate number like Pz IV F1.
Front and rear left side.

And more information for license plate for available data:
Ansaldo: H-101 ... H-252 (bought 151 p.)
Csaba: Pc-101 ... Pc-192 (soldier), Pc-400 ... Pc-411 (commander, radio) (made ap. 110 p.)
Nimród: H-055 ... H-100, 1H-601 ... 1H-718 (made 135 p.)
Toldi: H-301 ... H-490 (made 190 p.)
40M Turán: H-801 ... H-872 (WM factory), 1H-000 ... 1H-086 (Rába factory), 1H-201 ... 1H248 (MÁVAG factory), 1H-426 ... 1H-489 (GANZ factory) (made 279 p.)
41M Turán: 2H-000 ... 2H-061 (WM), 2H-201 ... 2H-261 (Rába), 2H-276 ... 2H-318 (GANZ) (made ap. 180 p.)
Zrínyi: 3H-000 ... 3H-044 (made ap. 71 p.)

Source: Promodell magazin 2003/3, Dr. Mujzer Péter

Milán

[Orok]

Thank you vey much Milan,

This information is very helpful!

Thank you again for your kind help and useful information!

[Orok]

Hi Milan,

As you've probably already known, I am currently in the process of modeling the 1. field armored division on the Don front. The first step is to build two PzKpfw 38(t), then I'll proceed to build at least one PzKpfw IV F1 and one Toldi.

Since I would like to make my models as accurate as possible, and in the process to learn more about the division's organization, equipment and performance, I have kept bugging you on this subject. This is because you and David C. Clark are the only people who had so far provided me with any important information, and you have proven youself as the most knowledgeable person on this subject in this forum.

So if it is not too inconvenient to you, can you also please post the front, rear and right side views of PzKpfw 38(t) if they are in this wonderful Promodell magazine. They are very useful in my modeling project!

Thank you very much and My Best Regards!

[Milan Szekelyhidi]

Hi Milan,

So if it is not too inconvenient to you, can you also please post the front, rear and right side views of PzKpfw 38(t) if they are in this wonderful Promodell magazine. They are very useful in my modeling project!

Sorry, but no T-38 front graphic in the magazine.
But in the T-38 license plate like Toldi.
I attached the all graphics from the magazine

Source: Promodell magazines.

Milán

[Milan Szekelyhidi]

Toldi tank.

[Milan Szekelyhidi]

Toldi and more.

[Milan Szekelyhidi]

Turán tank.

[Milan Szekelyhidi]

Turán and Zrínyi.

Zrinyi_1944_Hajmasker.jpg

Zrínyi assault gun 1/3 battery 4. gun in Hajmáskér, 1944.

[Milan Szekelyhidi]

Hungarian ground marks

A: WWI mark on Romfell K. und K armoured cars.
B: mark in 1919-1920 on Büssing-Fross armoured cars.
C: mark in 1938 on Nr.102 armoured train, when it entered to North-Hungary (1 Wienna award).
D: mark in 1940 used by 1. reconnaissance battalion for base mark to E,F,G (used on entered Transílvania, fought Ukrain and Yugoslavia)
E: little tank
F: light tank
G: armoured car
H: mark in 1940 used by 2. reconnaissance battalion, used end of 1941.
I: mark propusal in 1940 from Quick army trainer and student camp command.
J: mark in 1940 used on 1 Toldi tank at 2. brigade of cavalry's armoured battalion
K: mark establish in 1941 spring
L: mark establish in 16 november 1942

Source: Promodell magazine 2003/1, Dr. Mujzer Péter

Milán

[Orok]

Milan,

Thank you for these wonderful pictures! And Thank you for taking time and trouble posting them. They will be valuable references for my modeling and learning process. Thanks again for posting these beautiful pictures!

My Best Regards!

[Orok]

Hi Milan,

Do you have any information about whether the Toldis in service with the 1. tábori páncélos hadosztály in Don bend in 1942-43 had turret numbers painted on them? I know all German delivered panzers had those turret numbers, but would like to know if Toldis of the Division also had them.

Also do you happen to have any photos of Toldis, Csabas or Nimróds of the 1. tábori páncélos hadosztály in Don bend during this period?

Thank you very much and have a nice weekend!

Best Regards!