ID of these vehicle

[Sander D]

2 verry interresting german umbau vehicles ,one of a kind i think (e-bay pictures )

The first picture shows a gepanserde sdkfz 6 (or 7 ?? ) with a 2 cm flak .
The other picture shows a gepanserde styer 1500A i think, also with a 2 cm flak .

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Regards

Sander

[nuyt]

Sander, the 2nd pic appears to be on the same location like one of the pics you posted on the Umbauwagens thread. Any more info available?

[T. A. Gardner]

The first one appears to be a Sdkfz 7 with 3.7cm Flak 36 or 37. The vehicle has obviously been armored around the usually open rear platform. Note the distinctive rear 'arm' sticking up on the Flak gun where the sight is mounted. That is characteristic of the 3.7cm gun. Judging from the man standing next to the vehicle the height is about right for a Sdkfz 7, although the running gear is too muddy to tell by that means. Also note the lack of the ribbed finder plate between the front wheel fender and the fender over the track section.....Sdkfz 7 far more than 6.

[Homerr]

On the second pic is the engine hood open leaning back against the windshield area?

[Jon XLH]

The halftrack vehicle is the 3-ton cassis Sdkfz 11 that has been armed with a 2-CM Griebs flak.

The drive sprocket and the first road wheel visible can distinguish the 3-ton. The Griebs (Mountain) Flak is identified by the curved shied (it sits on a tripod). Compare the sight arm on the 2-CM Flak 38 in the other wagon.

The clean back and mudguards show the vehicle was converted from an Sdkfz 11 and not an Sdkfz 251 (which is of course already armoured).