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German seaplanes
looking for info on Ar 196 , He115 , He59 being used in antiship roles
any instances of that recorded
any instances of that recorded
He 115 C-4 was used in the Arctic as torpedo-bomber against convoys.
30 were manufactured.
He 59 was obsolete for an antiship-role already in 1939. No anti-ship-missions known.
Ar 196 was widely used in the Atlantic, North Sea, Baltic, Mediterranean, Black Sea by the
Luftwaffe, and the Bulgarian Navy and Romanian Airforce.
I don't think they were used in an antiship-role except for u-boat-hunting.
Two Ar 196 captured the British sub HMS Seal in 1940.
30 were manufactured.
He 59 was obsolete for an antiship-role already in 1939. No anti-ship-missions known.
Ar 196 was widely used in the Atlantic, North Sea, Baltic, Mediterranean, Black Sea by the
Luftwaffe, and the Bulgarian Navy and Romanian Airforce.
I don't think they were used in an antiship-role except for u-boat-hunting.
Two Ar 196 captured the British sub HMS Seal in 1940.
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Not exactely in anti shipping, but as an observer and ship stopper in conjunction with merchant raiders it also saw (limited) action in the Indian Ocean and around SE Asia.Scarlett wrote:...
Ar 196 was widely used in the Atlantic, North Sea, Baltic, Mediterranean, Black Sea by the
Luftwaffe, and the Bulgarian Navy and Romanian Airforce.
I don't think they were used in an antiship-role except for u-boat-hunting.
Two Ar 196 captured the British sub HMS Seal in 1940.
Re: German seaplanes
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Another one, the Ju 52/3mW.
Source: Foto, Flugzeug, Ju 52, Flugboot, Narvik, Bergen, Norwegen, Me 109. eBay Auction.
Cheers. Raúl M .
Another one, the Ju 52/3mW.
Source: Foto, Flugzeug, Ju 52, Flugboot, Narvik, Bergen, Norwegen, Me 109. eBay Auction.
Cheers. Raúl M .
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Re: German seaplanes
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The He-115 in the Artic.
Source: http://images-01.delcampe-static.net/im ... 01.jpg?v=1.
Cheers. Raúl M .
The He-115 in the Artic.
Source: http://images-01.delcampe-static.net/im ... 01.jpg?v=1.
Cheers. Raúl M .
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The He-60C on board.
Source: http://www.forum-marinearchiv.de/smf/in ... c=17228.15.
Cheers. Raul M .
The He-60C on board.
Source: http://www.forum-marinearchiv.de/smf/in ... c=17228.15.
Cheers. Raul M .
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Luftkreiskommando VI in Kiel.
AFAIK 6 = Luftkreiskommando VI in Kiel
0 = no meaning
D = Airplane D of the squadron
4 = Group
1 = Staffel
Source: http://tothehiltmilitaria.com/collectio ... lot-herdle
http://www.luftarchiv.de/index.htm?/flu ... ungen1.htm
Which unit? Cheers. Raul M .
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Luftkreiskommando VI in Kiel.
AFAIK 6 = Luftkreiskommando VI in Kiel
0 = no meaning
D = Airplane D of the squadron
4 = Group
1 = Staffel
Source: http://tothehiltmilitaria.com/collectio ... lot-herdle
http://www.luftarchiv.de/index.htm?/flu ... ungen1.htm
Which unit? Cheers. Raul M .
Feliz Navidad - Feliz Natal - Frohe Weihnachten - Joyeux Noël - Merry Christmas - Wesołych Świąt!.
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Re: German seaplanes
He 59s had scored some successes against Republican shipping in the Spanish Civil War, with bombs, guns and torpedoes, but successful aerial torpedo attacks by the Luftwaffe were rare in the first year of the war. On 18 december 1939, a British fishing vessel (Active, 185 GRT) was sunk by a torpedo (launched by a He 59). On 26 Aug. 1940, the freighter Remuera (11,445 GRT) was torpedoed by a He 115 (Kü Fl Gr 506) off Kinnaird Head. On 15 September, the steamer Nailsea River (5,550 GRT) was torpedoed by a He 115 in the North Sea (Danish SS Halland 1,264 GRT according to Paterson, Eagles over the Sea: Luftwaffe Maritime Operations 1939 1942 ??).
In one or two other cases, it is not entirely clear whether ships were sunk by bombs or by torpedoes. Paterson claims SS Lanishen and SS Makalla sunk by Kü.Fl. Gr. 506 in the Moray Firth, and SS Beacon Grange damaged, on 23 August.
The obsolescent He 59 floatplanes had by Sept. 1940 been relegated to rescue, reconnaissance and transport tasks.
At that time, the first Staffel of Küstenfliegergruppe 506, based at Stavanger, had five aircraft recently fitted for torpedoes while the other four carried bombs (2 x 250 kg typically). 2./506 and 3./506 also had (some) He 115s fitted for torpedoes. Stocks of aerial torpedoes were however minimal, 38 in total by Sept. according to Harold Thiele, Luftwaffe Aerial Torpedo Aircraft and Operations. As with other German torpedoes, the LT-F5 (a Norwegian design built under licence) often malfunctioned. For a successful launch, the torpedo plane had to fly very slow and low, making it vulnerable to AA fire and fighters, although by mid-1940 improvements to the torpedoes (Model LT-F5a) had increased maximum launch speed from 75 to 140 knots and maximum drop height from 20 to 50 meters.
1./ Kü Fl Gr 106 with He 115, operating from Brest (previously Norderney), was mainly engaged in dropping magnetic mines in this period, but also reported launching 16 torpedoes between the start of the war and 1 Oct. 1940 and claimed two hits. (2./106 equipped with Do 18 flying boats was also at Brest, 3./106 with He 115 at Schellingwoude)
As of 28 Oct. 1940, the Luftwaffe had 68 LT-F5 torpedoes “cleared for action”. More were in the pipeline, and it was hoped to recover a number of sunken torps. 300 Italian torps had been ordered, and there were 400+ captured “small bore” (40-45cm) French, Dutch and Norwegian torps, some of which might be adapted for use by the Luftwaffe as aerial torps.
In one or two other cases, it is not entirely clear whether ships were sunk by bombs or by torpedoes. Paterson claims SS Lanishen and SS Makalla sunk by Kü.Fl. Gr. 506 in the Moray Firth, and SS Beacon Grange damaged, on 23 August.
The obsolescent He 59 floatplanes had by Sept. 1940 been relegated to rescue, reconnaissance and transport tasks.
At that time, the first Staffel of Küstenfliegergruppe 506, based at Stavanger, had five aircraft recently fitted for torpedoes while the other four carried bombs (2 x 250 kg typically). 2./506 and 3./506 also had (some) He 115s fitted for torpedoes. Stocks of aerial torpedoes were however minimal, 38 in total by Sept. according to Harold Thiele, Luftwaffe Aerial Torpedo Aircraft and Operations. As with other German torpedoes, the LT-F5 (a Norwegian design built under licence) often malfunctioned. For a successful launch, the torpedo plane had to fly very slow and low, making it vulnerable to AA fire and fighters, although by mid-1940 improvements to the torpedoes (Model LT-F5a) had increased maximum launch speed from 75 to 140 knots and maximum drop height from 20 to 50 meters.
1./ Kü Fl Gr 106 with He 115, operating from Brest (previously Norderney), was mainly engaged in dropping magnetic mines in this period, but also reported launching 16 torpedoes between the start of the war and 1 Oct. 1940 and claimed two hits. (2./106 equipped with Do 18 flying boats was also at Brest, 3./106 with He 115 at Schellingwoude)
As of 28 Oct. 1940, the Luftwaffe had 68 LT-F5 torpedoes “cleared for action”. More were in the pipeline, and it was hoped to recover a number of sunken torps. 300 Italian torps had been ordered, and there were 400+ captured “small bore” (40-45cm) French, Dutch and Norwegian torps, some of which might be adapted for use by the Luftwaffe as aerial torps.
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