He 162 at Duxford, restoration or reconstruction?
He 162 at Duxford, restoration or reconstruction?
I have seen this aircraft myself at Duxford not sure if its still there now
While I was looking I thought to myself when does restoration become considered a reconstruction?
The aircraft look as if it was built yesterday so over nearly 70 years it must have had so many replacements and restoration work
at some point would most of the original parts have been replaced thus making it strictly speaking a reconstruction?
While I was looking I thought to myself when does restoration become considered a reconstruction?
The aircraft look as if it was built yesterday so over nearly 70 years it must have had so many replacements and restoration work
at some point would most of the original parts have been replaced thus making it strictly speaking a reconstruction?
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Re: HE 162 at Duxford, restoration or reconstruction?
If you think THAT'S a dilemma....think of the one courtesy of the classic warbird press....While I was looking I thought to myself when does restoration become considered a reconstruction?
The aircraft look as if it was built yesterday so over nearly 70 years it must have had so many replacements and restoration work
at some point would most of the original parts have been replaced thus making it strictly speaking a reconstruction?
....restoration to flightworthy status....or "restoration" for static display...!!! :roll:
If there's one thing really gets up my nose it's seeing a headline or paragraph header announcing some rare type being "restored"....and when you read it, the aforementioned aircraft is just getting a new coat of paint to sit gathering dust again!
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Re: HE 162 at Duxford, restoration or reconstruction?
I am not too concerned about it being flight worthy, I like to know if what i am seeing is a genuine relic being preserved.phylo_roadking wrote: If you think THAT'S a dilemma....think of the one courtesy of the classic warbird press....
....restoration to flightworthy status....or "restoration" for static display...!!! :roll:
If there's one thing really gets up my nose it's seeing a headline or paragraph header announcing some rare type being "restored"....and when you read it, the aforementioned aircraft is just getting a new coat of paint to sit gathering dust again!
I watched a program the other day about tank collectors doing ww2 tank restorations they had some panther tank it was basically a rusty shell barley could be recognised and after all the work its more or less a brand new tank not to be considered a museum piece at all, why not start from scratch? the end result is the same.
Like this photo below from duxford they look good as new! which raises the question where these aircraft really above the sky's
in 1940s Also the Tiger tank at Duxford is a reproduction it was used in the 1996 film saving private ryan
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Re: He 162 at Duxford, restoration or reconstruction?
Well David....that's ANOTHER issue entirely - because if you scope out the position of the engine exhaust stubs, you'll see they aren't Bf 109s at all...they're Hispano Aviacion H1-1112-M1Ls, the "Buchon"...probably ex-stars of the silver screen from the 1969 "Battle Of Britain"!Like this photo below from duxford they look good as new! which raises the question where these aircraft really above the sky's
in 1940s
IIRC the only "real" Bf 109 at Duxford is the Bf 109E in Hangar 4, as part of a "crashed" tableau...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duxford_Im ... uxford.jpg
Note where the exhaust stubs SHOULD be on a 109....at the bottom of the engine cowling!
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Re: He 162 at Duxford, restoration or reconstruction?
To make matters worse I have just realised that so called Me 109 is actually a spitfire with 109 wings and 109 aircraft canopyphylo_roadking wrote: Well David....that's ANOTHER issue entirely - because if you scope out the position of the engine exhaust stubs, you'll see they aren't Bf 109s at all...they're Hispano Aviacion H1-1112-M1Ls, the "Buchon"...probably ex-stars of the silver screen from the 1969 "Battle Of Britain"!
IIRC the only "real" Bf 109 at Duxford is the Bf 109E in Hangar 4, as part of a "crashed" tableau...
Note where the exhaust stubs SHOULD be on a 109....at the bottom of the engine cowling!
Look closer you will notice its 90% spitfire
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Re: He 162 at Duxford, restoration or reconstruction?
What Me 109 are you talking about that is 90% Spitfire?David1819 wrote:To make matters worse I have just realised that so called Me 109 is actually a spitfire with 109 wings and 109 aircraft canopy
Look closer you will notice its 90% spitfire
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Re: He 162 at Duxford, restoration or reconstruction?
David -
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buch%C3%B3n#HA-1112-M1L
It's not; the HA1-1112-M1L "buchon" is a Bf 109 airframe, but with a Merlin engine fitted.To make matters worse I have just realised that so called Me 109 is actually a spitfire with 109 wings and 109 aircraft canopy
Look closer you will notice its 90% spitfire
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buch%C3%B3n#HA-1112-M1L
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