Romanian built Bf-109G

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Romanian built Bf-109G

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Post by Mait » 18 Jul 2002, 23:53

As I understand, in 1943 the Industria Aeronautica Romana (IAR) factory at Brasov, in Rumania, had completed retooling and started building the Bf 109 G.

I am wondering how many parts of the plane were produced in Romania and how many were imported from Germany? I am especially interested about the engine.

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Post by Victor » 19 Jul 2002, 15:23

Production started in 1944 and the first Bf-109Ga-4 and –6 entered service in 1945 (against Germany!). A total of 75 were built. From Germany over 200 Bf-109G-2, -4 and –6 were imported starting from 1943, when it entered service with the 7th and 9th Fighter Groups and with the 53rd Fighter Squadron.


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Post by Mait » 19 Jul 2002, 17:35

Was the DB-605 engine of these planes produced in Romania? Was the plane only assembled in Romania or were some parts of it also built there?

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Post by Andy H » 19 Jul 2002, 21:35

Romania intially aplied for the license to build the fW190's BMW 801 radial engine in 1941 but this was refused but hey did sell the DB605 engine licence in November'42 and were due to start production in July'44 but USAAF raids delayed this and eventually caused the project to be cancelled. Some imported engines powered ME109's after Romania's defection.

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Post by Andy H » 20 Jul 2002, 12:20

According to Hans Werner Neulen's book "Air forces Allied to the Luftwaffe 6 were delivered before August'44, a further 11 before the war's end and a further 58 completed after the war's end, giving a total of 75 as stated by Victor.

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Post by Mait » 21 Jul 2002, 12:14

By the way - how long were Bf-109E-s used by Romanian Air Force as first-line combat planes?

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Post by Victor » 21 Jul 2002, 15:45

Up until 1944. In 1941, 42 and early 43 they equipped the 7th Fighter Group, until they were replaced by the Bf-109G. The remaining were transfered to training bases. The only operational unit that used them afterwards was the 52nd Fighter Squadron, until August 1944. After this the unit didn't se any more fighting.

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Post by Andy H » 21 Jul 2002, 20:38

Again I agree with Victor and that the 52nd Sqn was the last to employ the E and had some 20 in service in August'44

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Post by Mait » 23 Jul 2002, 18:06

I understand that Romanian Air Forces used some Bf-109F planes. When were they bought, when they entered service and how many were used?

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Post by Andy H » 23 Jul 2002, 20:36

The only F-Models I have listed a 2+1 planes captured after August'44.

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Post by Victor » 23 Jul 2002, 21:06

The only Bf-109Fs used by ARR pilots were in 1943 as intermediate training planes for the Bf-109G. They had German markings.

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Post by Victor » 24 Jul 2002, 17:24

I don't know about that. On 16 April 1944, the 52nd had only 12 and only 10 were ready for action. The increase in numbers is curious, given the fact that until 18 August 1944, when the last USAF raid took place, ARR lost a lot of men and airplanes.

There were also 4 Bf-109E7s in the 51st Fighter Squadron. These two squadrons, which made up the 5th Fighter Group, did not have too much success against the Americans, mostly because of the age of the aircraft, which had already seen one or two campaigns in Russia in extreme conditions. Another factor, for the 52nd, would be the fact that it was based on the seaside and had only a limited time for battle, before they had to turn back so that they won't run out of fuel.

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Post by Mait » 24 Jul 2002, 17:51

I found this data in internet:

"During the entire war, the IAR-80 (in all its variants) scored 539 confirmed kills, 90 probable and 168 on the ground. About 220 were lost in combat (to fighters and AAA) and in numerous accidents."

Could someone give me comparative data about Bf-109G-s used by Romanian Air Force?

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Post by Victor » 25 Jul 2002, 15:09

I will try to make some calculations, but they will not be very exact. Especially for the losses.

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Post by Victor » 25 Jul 2002, 15:59

According to my list of claims: 370 confirmed, 46 probable and 11 on the ground. However, the list is far from complete…
As for the losses: at 1st January 1945 there were 219 Bf-109Gs in the Romanian inventory, most of which were unavailable for different reasons and others were under repair. So I think that about 100 were lost, but it is hard to say.

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