II. Jagdkorps

[Fredobedo]

Hello,

i am looking for informations (and photo) about the II. Jagdkorps (Luftflotte III) which was base in Chantilly (France - north of Paris - France ) in June and July 1944. His chief was Gen. Maj. Werner Junck. This group used a big bunker and i am looking informations too about the built of this bunker.


Thanks a lot

Frédéric

[Larry D.]

There is at least one and possibly several ADI(K) P/W interrogation reports with detailed information about this headquarters and command bunker. These reports are in the British National Archives (formerly PRO) in London in Record Group AIR 40. There are nearly 2,000 of them covering the 1944-45 period and I do not know which of these are the ones that you would need. There are also several other intelligence report series that undoubtedly have individual reports concerning this subject. I guess you would have to go to London to find these. The Allies were very interested in collecting intelligence information on all senior Wehrmacht headquarters locations, especially those that were fixed or permanently sited and involved the construction and use of bunkers or a complex of bunkers.

--Larry

[SES]

Hi Frédéric.
Finally a comrade in arms . One of my great interests is WL commandbunkers, as you will see I am in a position to help you on this particular problem http://www.gyges.dk/bunker%20II%20JK.htm . Maybe in return you can help me with the GefStd of 4. JD in Metz which has escaped my search for 20 years. So Larry mercifully life is not always as difficult as you portrayed, albeit it can be, and your avenue of approach may be the only way ahead.
bregds
SES

[Fredobedo]

Thank you very much both for the answers.

[Larry D.]

I hope you gentlemen are able to find all that you need without having to trek to distant archives and spend weeks and weeks searching through many thousands of reports. But it is absolutely amazing what you can find there, often by accident while searching for something else. As the Allies swept across France in August and September 1944, the combat troops were followed by numerous small intelligence teams from the Air Ministry's Directorate of Intelligence. Some of these teams were specialized in just the investigation of Luftwaffe bases and installations, and after each was inspected they issued a very detailed report. I have seen some of them. If you could just locate these in the former PRO, I think they would give you a lot of really interesting and useful information about the command and control headquarters bunkers used by II. Jagdkorps and 4. Jagddivision.

--Larry

[SES]

Hi Larry. If you have ANTTHING on the location of the GefStd of 4. JD you'd be my hero for quite a while. And I fully appreciate your comments concerning achieves, but field work and PI is not so bad either.
bregds
SES

[Larry D.]

SES - this is all I have, but it won't help you with your bunker questions:

4. Jagddivision (2d Formation)
(FpN: none found)




Kommandeur:
Gen.Maj. Werner Junck (15 Sep 43 - 30 Sep 43)
Oberst Karl Hentschel (1 Oct 43 - 9 Nov 43)
Oberst Karl Viek (10 Nov 43 - 8 Sep 44)
Oberst Günther Lützow? (Sep 44 - Nov 44)



Formation. (Sep 43)
Formed 15 September 1943 at Metz/France (ex-Stab/3. Jagddivision). Controlled day and night fighter defenses over eastern France, Belgium and along the eastern part of the Channel coast under XII. Fliegerkorps to 15 October 1943, then under I. Jagdkorps through May 1944 and then II. Jagdkorps. The Division subordinated Jagdfliegerführer 4 as well as Ln.-Regiment 204, 214, 224 and 234, these providing radar coverage and other communications within its territory.

Eastern France and Belgium. (Sep 43 - Nov 44)
1 Sep 44: Stab evacuated Metz on or about this date as U.S. forces approached and withdrew to Darmstadt-Griesheim.
8 Sep 44: Stab ordered disbanded.
Nov 44: all or elements of the Stab at Altenburg/45 km S of Leipzig in Thuringia, in the final stages of disbanding.

--Larry

[SES]

Hi Larry.
Thank you very much. very comprehensive. It all a big puzzle. For a starter here is the Fp#: L 36 288 don't know if you missed it or are interested. I have the JD as officially disbanded 440912. And please don't say the info you furnished would not help in a bunker hunt. Personalities lead to biographies, biographies leads to other names, places and dates. I've come a long way through deductions and inductions.
bregds
SES

[Larry D.]

Thanks for the FpN....I guess I missed it while picking everything out of Kannapin many years ago. Here are the Source notes for my previous post. The disbanded information comes ULTRA intercepts so I feel pretty confident that it is right.

(1)G.Tessin-Verbände und Truppen der Deutschen Wehrmacht und Waffen-SS 1939-1945. Teil 14: Die Luftstreitkräfte; PRO London: AIR 40 Air Ministry intelligence reports and lists based on ULTRA, “Y” Service intercepts, captured documents and PoW interrogations; NARA WashDC: RG 242 (T-79:14; T-971:8/546; T-971:18); PRO London: DEFE 3 ULTRA signals; Luftwaffen-Revue magazine: Heft (issue) 1/1985 (reproducing the Luftwaffe’s Aufmarsch d. fliegende Verbände order of battle map for 26 June 1944).
(2) RG 242 (T-971:33).
(3) Tessin.
(4) AirMin/ULTRA.

--Larry

[Larry D.]

That Smiley is NOT supposed to be there! It should read "T-971:18."

--L.

[SES]

Thanks Larry.
You had 08 SEP 1944, I had 09 SEP 1944, what's a day between friends. My date was based on the day when the Fp# was revoked. Fp# are actually quite a useful source. My guess is that your ULTRA MSG is dated 08 SEP, but the actual disbandment was the next day. Highher German commands were usually very polite, they gave the unit/HQ 24 hrs to implement
bregds
SES

[Larry D.]

Yes, SES, they were very kind, considerate and thoughtful fellows

--L.

[Fredobedo]

Ok Larry thanks for your message. I strongly fear to be able to go to London. If I write wouldn't I have an answer?

[Larry D.]

I think you would be able to get some information, but I don't think they would be able to answer your question about Chantilly. At best, they might be able to tell you the specific folders to look in. Here is the URL for the British National Archives. Perhaps you can send them an e-mail?

http://www.catalogue.nationalarchives.g ... efault.asp

--Larry

[Fredobedo]

I try.