they have to fact check.
but if it will make you feel better throw in the raf, vvs, royal navy, and the usaf not
directly attached to the 8th a.f., all aggnst the luftwaffe over europe,
and then see how the casualties fall.
germany "lost" the war when it started it.
the outcome of a total war was never in doubt.
as far as the luftwaffe being the best air force in history,
that point can be made and defended on several points.
i however, did not make that arguement.
the fact remains however, that inspite of overwhelming numbers, and imposible demands.
the luftwaffe throughout the war scored tactical victory, after tactical victory, until
germany was stragically defeated.
if the luftwaffe was a failure, than so was the avg in china.
the difference in the two bob's was that one force had planned and prepared to
make an invasion for years, the other had not, and decided it was better to turn their
attention to the ussr, rather than to procede with attrition air warfare without the means
to take advantage of it. the first bob was not lost by germany, it was postponed.
the germans invented air to air combat, and to this day there is no finer air force in the
world, just ask all the former nato pilots the germans train in dissimilar airframe combat.
LWD wrote:This thread is as far as I can tell a response to those who seam to be claiming the LW was the best AF ever. At least on the part of most here the intent was not to say that the LW was worthless.
Now as to a few specifics of your post:
"(the "mighty 8th" suffered more casualties than the entire usmc) "
According to: http://members.aol.com/usregistry/usmclife.htm
The Marines suffered ~87,000 casualties
According to: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eighth_Air_Force
The 8th AF suffered ~47,000
"the luftwaffe nearly (very nearly) secured europe for the 3rd reic"
The only case I can think of in recorded history where an airforce could even claim with any sort of believability that it secured anything was the RAF and the BOB. In some alternate history the LW may have helped the German army secure Europe but it wasn't going to on it's own.
I'm not sure I've seen much of what I would call boasting on either side of this debate. We're too far removed from them in time for it to make much sense. We do on the otherhand have some who are very passionate about some organizations and machines.