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Re: Awardholders / unit

Postby Gastolli on 30 Oct 2009 23:17

Hello all,

we have to shift 2 persons from 1. Pz.Div. to Führer-Begleit-Division, namely Karl Kunstmann and Heinz Schuttwolf !

transcript from telegraph (BAMA file RH 7 / 330):

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WHHF 503 17/4 (1600) = AN HPA / P 5 Zeppelin =

Ritterkreuz KVK an:

Hauptmann Karl Kunstmann, W.Kp.Chef Fhr.Pz.Rgt. 1 am 14.4.45, -

Deutsches Kreuz in Silber an Heereswerkmeister Heinz Schuttwolf, Führer Le.Kfz.J.Zug. roem.1./Fhr.-Pz.Rgt. am 13.4.45 (beide F.B.D.) Verliehen.= WZA (röm.drei),

gez. Winter, Genlt.

1925 Eins Hilbig HZPH

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Re: Awardholders / unit

Postby Bernd R on 31 Oct 2009 17:34

Hello Oliver,

many thanks, corrected ! Both crossed out from the 1. PD list [page 44] and added with new data sets to Fhr.-Begl.Div. [page 19] :
German Cross in Silver (1)
Schuttwolf, Heinz, 13.04.1945, Heeres-Werkmeister, Führer le.Kfz.Inst.Zug I./Führer-Pz.Rgt.
[source : a telegraph of the Heerespersonalamt : WHHF 503 17/4 (1600) = AN HPA / P 5 Zeppelin ; BA-MA file RH 7 / 330]

Knight's Cross of the War Merit Cross with Swords (1)
Kunstmann, Karl, 14.04.1945, Hauptmann, Chef Werkstatt-Kp./Führer-Pz.Rgt 1
[source : a telegraph of the Heerespersonalamt : WHHF 503 17/4 (1600) = AN HPA / P 5 Zeppelin ; BA-MA file RH 7 / 330]


For Schuttwolf it was a long way really to find a correct listing..of note a story of attempts, difficulties and wrong secondary sources :
re-check by me : viewtopic.php?f=5&t=4033&p=1284916&hilit=Schuttwolf#p1284916
the main 1. Pz.Div. review by Jan-Hendrik : viewtopic.php?f=5&t=4033&p=1069767&hilit=Schuttwolf#p1069767
answers to my re-check (Shawn and Wilco [Scheibert and Patzwall/Scherzer]) : viewtopic.php?f=5&t=4033&p=1284927&hilit=Schuttwolf#p1284927
and : viewtopic.php?f=5&t=4033&p=1284966&hilit=Schuttwolf#p1284966

So, Scheibert is incomplete, Patzwall/Scherzer is wrong ; "Die Deutschen Divisionen" (listing with 1. PD) is wrong, too.

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Re: Awardholders / unit

Postby USAF1986 on 06 Nov 2009 05:34

Does anyone have further information on this award holder from the 17. SS-Panzergrenadier-Division "Götz von Berlichingen"?

SS-Unterscharführer Anton Turek, I. / Rgt. 3, SS-Polizei-Division.

Received RK KVK mS as Führer eines Bergezuges in the 17. SS Panzer-Division "Götz von Berlichingen", supposedly: 31.12.1944

viewtopic.php?f=5&t=66810&p=606944&hilit=turek#p606944

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Re: Awardholders / unit

Postby Bernd R on 07 Nov 2009 10:54

RE : 168. Infanterie-Division [page 17]

three data sets I stumbled upon ; names correct ? date ?

DKiG : Proske, Bernt, 18.03.1945, Major, Art.Rgt. 248
EBS : Pèe, Herbert, 17.12.1944, Hauptmann d.R., I./Gren.Rgt. 442
AU : Schaal, Kurt, 25./27.03.1944 (3064), Oberst, Kdr. Div.Gruppe 223

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Re: Awardholders / unit

Postby USAF1986 on 07 Nov 2009 14:59

Bernd,

All are as written in Scheibert and Dörr.

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Re: Awardholders / unit

Postby W.Vermeer on 07 Nov 2009 20:26

DKiG : Proske, Bernt, 18.03.1945, Major, Art.Rgt. 248
Same data in P/S
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Re: Awardholders / unit

Postby Bernd R on 08 Nov 2009 11:10

Thanks Shawn and Wilco, so 168. ID fine for now.

Re : SS-Uschaf. Anton Turek , RK KVKmS
the AHFactbook list has the additional note : source: "Der Freiwillige" (no date/vol.)
I recall from reading the KTB 17. SS-PGD "GvB" that this is not of help, as awards are not mentioned in general.

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Re: Awardholders / unit

Postby Bernd R on 11 Nov 2009 14:48

RE : Kriegsmarine section [page 119]

The long-time Kriegsmarine review, basically in process since last year, but on hold and delayed at times, is planned to have a shifting towards a final edit round for "Phase 2". With regard to completeness and accuracy this section still contains a lower number of issues and open points. See the respective lists installed there ; this includes the several data sets marked blue and red. Thanks in advance for any bits and pieces about the remaining questions.

The top section, starting with OKM, has this small addition : OKM on the Axis History Factbook
Based on this big effort and excellent work by Gareth Collins I have done a major edit of the OKM / Ämter section, see
viewtopic.php?p=1153063#p1153063 . The former big lists - DKiS , RK KVKmS mainly - are now splitted in favour of listing exact assignments.

Here is a report of the add & corr done, some major notes and the open points left :

DKiS , position added :
Wenninger, Arthur, 23.03.1944, Kapitän zur See, AMA/M Wehr, Abt.Chef Marinetruppenabteilung


RK KVKmS , entire/correct position added :
Eckhardt, Dipl. Ing. Alfred, 07.12.1944, Ministerialdirektor, Chef d. Amtes Marinebauwesen (AMA/B)


DKiS (unofficial) , Amt added :
Kutscher, Dr. Dr. Hans, 01.06.1945, Marineoberstabsarzt, OKM Mar. Wehr G [= Marinemedizinalamt]


DKiS , position added :
Stiegel, Heinrich, 22.01.1945, Vizeadmiral (Ing.), [OKM, Mar.Rüst K IV] = Chef Amtsgruppe Schiffsmaschinenbetrieb (K IV)


a new sub-section - Inspektionen - is added.

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Re: Awardholders / unit

Postby Bernd R on 11 Nov 2009 15:04

Re : Kriegsmarine add & corr

German Cross in Gold - not an award for an "Amt" position, therefore not listed with the Inspektion ; added to Marinegruppenkommando Süd, with note (Marschall was Deputy for Admiral Karlgeorg Schuster) :
Marschall, Wilhelm, 23.03.1942, Admiral, Ob.Bef. d. Mar.Gruppenkdo. Süd (i.V.) [formal position : Inspekteur d. Bildungswesens d. Marine]


DKiS - listed under Hauptamt Kriegsschiffbau. He wasn't Amtsgruppenchef at that time I take it.
of note : the data set before was "Oelfkin", position just OKM.
Oelfken, Heinrich, 05.01.1944, Marinebaudirektor, Abteilung f. Maschinenbauliche u. Elektrotechnische Anlagen U-Boote i. d. Amtsgruppe Schiffsmaschinenbau (K II U)


DKiS - the later Marinebaurat Mohr is said to be the "father" of the Einmanntorpedo "Neger" ; the invention and construction was carried out in the "Amt Torpedowaffe" I take it. "OKM T Wa" is from the old data set we had so far.
Mohr, Richard, 23.05.1944, Marinestabsingenieur, OKM T Wa
[? : Militärtechnische Abteilung/Torpedoabteilung/Entwicklungsabteilung , TWa II]


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Re: Awardholders / unit

Postby Bernd R on 11 Nov 2009 15:07

The assignment of those two is still open / not yet found.

German Cross in Silver
Kloess, Hans-Karl, 28.05.1945, Korvettenkapitän, OKM, Mar.Rüst. K-Stab
Scherf, Albert-Richard, 05.11.1943, Kapitän zur See, OKM, Abt.Chef


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Re: Awardholders / unit

Postby USAF1986 on 12 Nov 2009 02:58

Here is a DKiG holder for the 5. Inf.Div. that has not been added yet:

Bollack, Berthold, 26.12.1941, Oberleutnant, 6.(Rdf)/Inf.Rgt. 75

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Re: Awardholders / unit

Postby Kelvin on 12 Nov 2009 11:34

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Re: Awardholders / unit

Postby Bernd R on 16 Nov 2009 22:01

Bollack, DKiG, added, thanks Shawn.


Re : Kriegsmarine
crossed out from the open points and added to :
Marine-Einsatzkommando 60

German Cross in Gold (1)
Prinzhorn, Hans-Friedrich, 30.08.1944, Oberleutnant (MA) d.R., Kdr. MEK 60


Looking at the K.d.K. men who are not yet listed with a unit. Does someone own or has access to the Internationales Militaria-Magazin, # 111 - 115, Feb - Dec 2004 ( IMM Nr. 111 - 115) ? It was said that it has a series about all KdK award holders. Eventually someone might be able and willing to look through the list based on that.

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