Warsaw parade

[VJK]

Hi!

Regarding Cochenhausen - just a sneaking little doubt - why isn't he wearing his Johanniter neck order for the parade?

Regards,

VJK

[Wilfried Abenaschon]

Waw!

Fantastic pictures!!!

But the mystery is far from being lifted!

Rommel seems to be there; the general next to the Führer does look like Guderian when he's turned towards the camera! But it is another kettle of fish when we see his profile!...

None of these officers can be von Brauchitsch, because this latter is next to the head of state (namely behind him; pic #1 from Gettyimages & Oberstab's pic, his ear).

I agree with Vienna, von Weichs is on the same pics! On Oberstab's pic he's just behind AH. On the same pic, we can see Löhr (unmissable) and another Lw official (I thought at first of Kesselring): Bodenschatz? Lörzer?

Willab

[Elwyn W]

So looks like we agree in general the following:
Other than when Oberstab's black and white picture was taken, when the first row "moved", they were:

from left to right:
1st row: Rommel, Hitler, X, Y, Blaskowitz, Lohr, Kesselring
2nd row: Keitel, von Weichs, Reichenau.

None of the army group commanders were present: Bock, Runstedt, von Leeb. None of the army commanders of ArmyGr North were present: Kluge and Küchler. Two out of three army commanders of the ArmyGr South were there: Reichenau and Blaskowitz but not List. That leaves those from ArmyGr Center: Witzleben, Liebmann and Dollmann.

Witzleben had that nose of mystery general X but Witzleben was too skinny and ramrod straight. Dollman was neither. Could mystery general Y be Curt Liebmann? Commander of 5 Army? I only have a lousy blurred pic of him but somehow he looked like Gen Y. Could anyone post a good one?

cheers
Freiherr

[Elwyn W]

If it helps.

Cheers
Freiherr

[Stauffenberg II]

Hi Freiherr!

Army Group C was far away from Poland, in W-Germany. So the Supreme Commander (Leeb), as well as the Army Commanders (Witzleben, Liebmann, Dollmann) I wouldn´t take into consideration.

Enclosed please find a slightly better version of Gen. Liebmann, a courtesy of Glenn.

Regards!

[Elwyn W]

I think Willab is right. This was supposed to be just before the parade. Kesselring was unmistakably at the back.

Cheers
Freiherr

[Elwyn W]

Could this be von Brauchitsch?

Cheers
Freiherr

[Elwyn W]

These TWO?? generals (different horses) puportedly paraded in Warsaw on October 1, a few days before Hitler's on October 5. The generals were parading in front of von Rundstedt and Blaskowitz ( there was a picture of the two ) and the caption said it could be from 10 Div -- which meant Cochenhausen. But the guys seemed to have pre-war helmuts.

In any case, my cursory research showed 8 AOK was in Warsaw and took the official surrender from the Poles. So we are running out of generals -- 8 Army was simple: 10 Corp (Wilhelm Ulex) , with 24 Div (Friedirch Olbricht), and 13 Corp (Maximilian von Weichs), with 17 Div (Herbert Loch) and 10 Div (Conrad von Cochenhausen).

Ulex had a very strong nose and recessed jaw. Could be General Y. As to X, Cochenhausen

And one more possiblity. Blaskowitz's Chief of Staff, Hans Felber had a very strong nose too.

I believe Corp Wodrig was near Warsaw too. In that case it would muddy the water. I think generals X and Y were too big to be Wodrig or Kortzfleisch (1 Div). Kurt Feldt was an oberst (1 Kav brigade). But Ludwig von der Leyen (12 Div)....no one knows what he looked like.

cheers
Freiherr





Cheers
Freiherr

[sylvieK4]

A black and white image from a different angle. From: ebay

[Wilfried Abenaschon]

Hey!

At least I've recognised somebody else!



Erhard Milch is in the middle of each pic! I'm 101 % sure on the left pic but I do not recognise who is on his left though...

Willab

[Elwyn W]

A thread that has not been touched for a while.

I found a new pic:



I think it could be GenLt Briesen, Kmdr 30 Div, X Corp. Yes he had arm injury but there were a few photos showing him inspecting troops with arm sling. Enclosed pic for compariosn. Note position of EK I with spange.



I now agree with Vienna that general ("Y") next to the mystery general's left ("X") was GendA Ulex, Kmdr, X Corp. Another thread clearly showed he had two pips and it was not Cochenhausen because (a) Cochenhausen was a GemMj and (b) no Johanniter Order.

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Note position of EKI. EKI below pocket. Spange above pocket.


Just to sum up:

Parade Date: 05.10.39
Front Row:
von Brauchitsch GenOb, Ob d H
AH
X
Y Gen
von Blaskowitz promoted GenOb 01.10.39, Kmdr AOK8
Kesselring GenOb, Chef Luftflotte1
Löhr GenOb, Chef Luftflotte 4

Notice "X" disappeared for a while. Who were the next two guys?



Back Row:
Milch GenOb, Inp Luft
von Rundstedt GenOb, HrGr Sud, OB Ost
von Weichs Gen, Kmdr, 13 Corp
Keitel GenOb, Chef, OKW
von Reichenau prom GenOb 01.10, Kmdr AOK10





Cheers
Freiherr

[Benoit Douville]

It's great that this thread is back, the pictures are outstanding. I wonder, what is the exact date of that parade in Warsaw?

Regards

[mjölnir]

Hello Benoit Douville!
The exact date is october 5th, 1939
mjölnir

[Wilfried Abenaschon]

Hello all!

Wow! What a fantastic job has been done here... At last we've been able to identify these generals on this famous pic.

Hourray to our best specialists: Freiherr, Vienna, VJK and Stauffenberg II...


Your knowledge is so impressive.

Wilfried Lorenz Abenaschon.

[Beppo Schmidt]

I agree, I never knew Milch, von Rundstedt, or Kesselring were present.