General[leutnant z.V.] Oskar Suttner (1877-1957)

[Frech]

Oskar Suttner was former Austrian General, retired in 1927. He was Genlt. z.V. with Mobverwendung als "Kommandeur Kommandostab Süd" between 15.02.1942 and 30.09.1942.

Oskar Suttner did just own EK2 from 1914 but the "Offizierskreuz des Ehrenzeichens vom Roten Kreuz" which can be seen on the pics.

Suttner Oskar (21.10.1877 – 20.02.1957)

KuK:
01.09.1897 Kadettoffiziersstellvertreter (IR 99)
08.12.1914 Militärverdienstkreuz 3. Kl. mit KD [PVBl. 97/1914]
01.08.1914 Major i.G. [17] [PVBl. 45/1914]
11.07.1915 Orden der Eisernen Krone 3. Kl. mit KD [PVBl. 102/1915]
01.02.1916 Oberstleutnant i.G. [17] [PVBl. 27/1916]
04.07.1917 Schwerter zum EKO.3.KD [PVBl. 162/11917]

ÖBH1:
00.04.1920 – 00.06.1920 Vorsitzender der Superarbitrierungskommission beim Landesbefehlshaber Tirol
01.12.1920 einget. beim 6. Brig.Kdo, später Stabschef der 6. Brigade
01.01.1921 Oberst
16.06.1923 ern. zum stv. Kommandanten der 6. Brigade
08.03.1924 betr. m.d.F. der 6. Brigade
01.05.1924 – 31.12.1926 Kommandant der 6. Brigade
21.11.1924 Generalmajor [VBl. 47/1924]
29.12.1926 General [VBl. 1/1927]
01.01.1927 betr. m.d.Ltg. der Sektion II/BMfHW [VBl. 23/1926]
31.01.1927 Ruhestand [VBl. 16/1927]
17.11.1927 Großes Goldenes Ehrenzeichen [VBl. 23/1927]

DWM:
Generalleutnant z.V.
15.02.1942 - 30.09.1942 Kommandeur Kommandostab Süd
31.01.1943 Aufhebung der Mobverwendung

GrGE, LO-R.X, EKO.3.X, MVK.3.X, SMVM.X (PVBl. 4/1918), BMVM.X (PVBl. 27/1917), OffzEZ.-RK., EK1912-13, JK1908, JM1898, preuß. EK2 (PVBl. 96/1915), KVK2.X [OK]

Source: Österreichisches Staatsarchiv, Archiv der Republik, Personalakte Oskar Suttner, Personalnachweis OKH/HPA.

Many thanx to my old friend Markus P. for researching and providing the scans.

[graveland]

Thank you, Christian.

[askropp]

21.11.1924 Generalmajor [VBl. 47/1924]
29.12.1926 General [VBl. 1/1927]

Thank you, very interesting. But I don't understand how Oskar Suttner could become a full general in 1926. Shouldn't he have been promoted to FML before? His later appointment as GL zV seems also to indicate a lower rank. Could it be he was FML and Titular-General? A service branch is also missing (I guess it should be "der Infanterie"?)

[Frech]

21.11.1924 Generalmajor [VBl. 47/1924]
29.12.1926 General [VBl. 1/1927]

Thank you, very interesting. But I don't understand how Oskar Suttner could become a full general in 1926. Shouldn't he have been promoted to FML before? His later appointment as GL zV seems also to indicate a lower rank. Could it be he was FML and Titular-General? A service branch is also missing (I guess it should be "der Infanterie"?)

It´s not easy to become familiar with austrian military history, I see.

The rank of Feldmarschallleutnant was abolished in 1920 and re-installed in 1935.

From 1920 until 1930 only two ranks existed: Generalmajor and General (without branch). General der Infanterie, Kavallerie and Artillerie were re-instituted in 1930.

The rank of "General" was an equivalent to the Reichswehr Generalleutnant and not a full general (one star on the shoulderboard).

In 1935 former "Generale" were allowed to wear the uniform and the title of a Feldmarschallleutnant with two stars (but it was not a must!). Still equivalent to the Reichswehr Generalleutnant. Therefore most of the former austrian "Generale" were established as Generalleutnant z.V. in Heer or Luftwaffe.

From 1936 only one (!) full general in military functionshould should exist. It was GdI Siegmund Schilhawsky as Generaltruppeninspektor. GdI Wilhelm Zehner as second full general had a political function as "Staatssekretär für Landesverteidigung" and deputy minister of defence (Bundeskanzler Schuschnigg was Minister für Landesverteidigung in personal union).

Just a sidenote: in ÖBH2 the branch generals were abolished again. Since 1980 we have just a "General". The equivalents were:

Brigadier (one star general)
Divisionär (two stars) = Generalmajor
Korpskommandant (three stars) = Generalleutnant
General (four stars without branch designation)

In 2004 the ranks were changed again for international compatibility:

Brigadier
Generalmajor
Generalleutnant
General


This just for short.

Kindest

Christian

[askropp]

Thanks again! Very interesting, but also very complex. Seems as if the ÖBH of the interwar period, although being smaller than the Reichswehr, was not less complicated!

[Dieter Zinke]

Fascinating material and always new surprises! I'm excited. Boredom has no chance with our beloved hobby - that keeps you young!

Dieter Z.

[filigranofil]

Hello Christian,

thanks a lot for your research und results

I was on 5.1.2018 in Staatsarchiv Wien searching for some Documents about Ordnungspolizei.
I saw in Archiv der Republik Register of Gruppe 08: Deutsche Wehrmacht, Personalakten (08 R 002/1). Is from this "Personalakten" your Data?

Generalleutnant z.V. Suttner Oskar (21.10.1877 – 20.02.1957) was burried after Billion Graves in Stadtfriedhof Engesohde, Hannover Niedersachsen
Name: Oscar Suttner
Birth Date:1877
Death Date: 1957
Link: https://billiongraves.com/grave/Oscar-S ... myheritage



regards
Darko

[JakeV]

Some more info re Oskar Suttner (partly from Diener vieler Herren Biographisches Handbuch er Sektionschefs der Ersten Republik und des Jahres 1945):

Oskar Suttner
* 21.10.1877 in Wien-Leopoldstadt
† 20.02.1957 in Innsbruck [Sterberegister des Standesamtes Innsbruck Nr. 219/1957]

Eltern: Geschirrhändler Johann Edmund Suttner (* 27.12.1840 in Czernowitz) & Maria Anna, geb. Schütz (* 18.03.1842 in Loschitz/Mähren)

Gymnasium in Görz
Infanterie-Kadettenschule Triest
18. August 1897 Eintritt in das k.u.k. mähr. Infanterie Regiment Nr. 99 „Georg I. König der Hellenen“ (Znaim) als Kadettoffiziersstellvertreter

01.07.1933 NSDAP-Mitglied

verheiratet mit Minna Dorothea Margarete, geb. Hildebrandt (1888–1964)

[graveland]

Thank you, Jake.

[Frech]

@ Darko: no, it is from his "Grundbuchblatt" which contains the Bundesheer material, some of the k.u.k. material and the Wehrmacht-Fürsorge und Versorgungsakt.

Kindest

Christian

More detailed bio here and now:

[JakeV]

On a sidenote, Suttner was born Catholic and baptized in the Pfarre St. Leopold (Wien, II. Bezirk) on 01.11.1877. No Austritt from the Catholic Church is documented in his Taufeintrag, but since he had ties with Hannover, he might have switched around his marriage.

And of course, than you for this truly awesome biography about a WWII General who was virtually unknown until now.

[filigranofil]

Hello Frech,

thanks for the Quelle and for more detailed bio

Gordon Craig put on Gentlemans Military Interst Club medals of Gen.d.I. Oskar Suttner, which was displayed in Salzburg castle:



link: http://gmic.co.uk/topic/33571-medal-bar ... rg-castle/

regards
Darko

[Frech]

@Darko: thanks for posting this. Quite interesting. But the bar is not a beauty at all. This bavarian mounting style is - just in my opinion - disgusting. Godet would have made a better one....

Kindest

Christian

[iggy88]

Just a small addition:
According to a HPA appointments list, GL z.V. Oskar Suttner's z.V-Stellung aufgehoben am 31 Aug 1943.

[Frech]

@iggy: it would be very helpful for all of us if you could give the correct source with all your postings: PV number and date were minimum.

Kindest regards

Christian