General der Infanterie Wilhelm Burgdorf (1895-1945)

[PiretBCN]

I am looking for some information about general Wilhelm Burgdorf.

1. His real date of birth. Most sources say 14th February 1895 but some say 15th February 1895. Which one is correct and why are there two versions circulating online?

2. Information about his wife and children (grandchildren?). Photos would be fabulous. The only thing I know is that he and general Theodor Busse married sisters (???). I would kill someone (I am joking) for his wedding photo.

[Dieter Zinke]

Wilhelm Burgdorf was born 15.02.1895
He was married with Erika Hahn.

General der Infanterie Theodor Busse was married with Camilla Hahn.


Dieter Z.

[PiretBCN]

Thank you so much! Can you tell me what is your source of '15.02'?

Most sources online say '14.02' and obviously as an Unterganger and a proud member of Team Burgdorf I would love it to be '14.02'. Mixing together Valentine's Day and the birthday of one of the main characters of the parodies would be fabulous.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wilhelm_Burgdorf
So his wife's name was Erika. Just like the famous military march. That is definitely useful info. Thank you again.

[Dieter Zinke]

His file says 15.02. !

See
http://www.das-ritterkreuz.de/index_sea ... rch_result
http://www.lexikon-der-wehrmacht.de/Per ... ilhelm.htm
http://www.geocities.com/~orion47/WEHRM ... LHELM.html
http://www.unithistories.com/units_inde ... sonsx.html

Biblio-Verlag, Osnabrück bzw. Bissendorf:
"Die Ritterkreuzträger der Deutschen Wehrmacht 1939 - 1945", Teil II: Br - Bu
"Die Generale des Heeres", Band 2 (v. Blanckensee - v. Czettritz und Neuhauß)


Dieter Z.

[PiretBCN]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wilhelm_Burgdorf
http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wilhelm_Burgdorf
http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wilhelm_Burgdorf
http://hitlerparody.wikia.com/wiki/Wilhelm_Burgdorf
http://es.metapedia.org/wiki/Wilhelm_Burgdorf
http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cg ... d=28737198
http://www.evi.com/q/facts_about__wilhelm_burgdorf

Of course it seems some of these pages have used wikipedia as its source. Funnily enough wikipedia in Estonian has '15.02' http://et.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wilhelm_Burgdorf This should show that the wikipedias are not interconnected.

Well, your sources seem more solid but I am still curious to find out where '14.02' came from.

p.s. This is starting to remind me of the Victory Day. 8th May for the Western Allies and 9th May for the Russians. Maybe general Burgdorf was born at 23:59?

[Dieter Zinke]

Of course it seems some of these pages have used wikipedia as its source.

Gigantic nonsense !!
Are you serious ???? :roll: :roll: :roll:

Their source are only the personal files !

Dieter Z., moderator

[PiretBCN]

I meant the pages I posted.
E.g. I am 99% sure http://hitlerparody.wikia.com/wiki/Wilhelm_Burgdorf used http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wilhelm_Burgdorf
Maybe http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wilhelm_Burgdorf used http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wilhelm_Burgdorf

I just want to know WHY there are two dates circulating online. Was it a typo? How can I be 100% sure '15.02' is correct?

[PiretBCN]

Happy Birthday, General Burgdorf!!!
I have corrected his date of birth at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wilhelm_Burgdorf and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/F%C3%BCrstenwalde
I put many sources, so I hope wikipedia will accept this.

[Jeremy Dixon]

Scherzer: Ritterkreuzträger 19139-1945 has 15/02

[PiretBCN]

Most serious sites have 15/02. That's why I corrected it. The old wikipedia entry had 14/02.
I put as sources: http://www.das-ritterkreuz.de/index_sea ... d=burgdorf
http://www.ritterkreuztraeger-1939-45.d ... ilhelm.htm
http://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=190562
http://ww2db.com/person_bio.php?person_id=581

[askropp]

[ul-flieger]

Hallo everybody,

I am a Wikipedia author and am currently working on an article about General Burgdorf. I would like to know where this copy of Wilhelm Burgdorf's registration shown by user askropp comes from.

Unfortunately, Wikipedia refuses to provide a link to this document due to a ban on this forum. It would therefore be important for me to know which archive this document comes from.

Thanks a lot in advantage!

Greetings from Germany

[Christian Ankerstjerne]

Hallo everybody,

I am a Wikipedia author and am currently working on an article about General Burgdorf. I would like to know where this copy of Wilhelm Burgdorf's registration shown by user askropp comes from.

Unfortunately, Wikipedia refuses to provide a link to this document due to a ban on this forum. It would therefore be important for me to know which archive this document comes from.

Thanks a lot in advantage!

Greetings from Germany

Based on the appearance of the the scan, I would say that this is from the US National Archives and Records Administration (NARA). I'm not familiar with the specific microfilm roll, but I'm sure someone else can provide this.

Do be aware, however, that Wikipedia has two requirements and one assumption that makes it ill-suited for niche information in general, and this information specifically:

• Wikipedia does not care about whether its information is correct. Instead, it cares about the information being verifiable.
• Information must be sourced from secondary sources that are not self-published. This rules out three different types of sources:
  • Primary sources, which includes most archival records. This disqualifies the specific information posted by Askropp, even if you can source it to an archive.
  • Tertiary sources, which is not really that important for niche information.
  • Self-published secondary sources.

The last point may seem innocuous, but if you look further at the reasoning, we arrive at the assumption: The reason why the requirement is sources that are not self-published points to the need for editorial oversight.

This makes sense for most mainstream topics, where there is a large number of experts and a lot of readily known information. However, for historical research, and especially niche topics such as obscure generals like Burgdorf*, editorial oversight looses its meaning. It is my belief that any publishing house that would be interested in publishing a high-quality biography about Burgdorf would not have the resources to provide a deep editorial process. Furthermore, because a biography about Burgdorf would to a wide extent be based on primary sources that have not previously been processed, at least not in that context, no editor would have the required knowledge to qualitatively edit the book. They would maybe catch obvious, peripheral errors, but the bulk of the contents would be unverifiable without expending significant resources.

* From the perspective of the global mainstream information landscape, Burgdorf is an obscure general. We can go into definitions (which is interesting, but not really pertinent), but I believe that an argument can be made that probably the only mainstream German general of the Second World War is Rommel.

[Stauffenberg II]

Hallo everybody,

I am a Wikipedia author and am currently working on an article about General Burgdorf. I would like to know where this copy of Wilhelm Burgdorf's registration shown by user askropp comes from.

Unfortunately, Wikipedia refuses to provide a link to this document due to a ban on this forum. It would therefore be important for me to know which archive this document comes from.

Thanks a lot in advantage!

Greetings from Germany

Hi it is a NARA roll.

NARA T-78 Roll 884. 3 sets of data included re Burgdorf. It is the so called Generalskartei, which can also be found online at the Bundesarchiv.

[kstdk]

Hello

From BAMA PERS 6/102 and Generalskartei PERS 6/299496

Best Regards
Kurt
kstdk