RKT Erich Weyel in 1944?
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RKT Erich Weyel in 1944?
Hi all,
I need info on RKT Erich Weyel's (1902-1992, RKT on 20/12/41) rank and parent unit in mid-1944. According to German sources, certain "Major Weyel", a Knight's Cross recipient, was deployed in Serbia at that time; these sources, however, do not mention the first name. Can anyone confirm this was the same person?
Thanks in advance,
G.
I need info on RKT Erich Weyel's (1902-1992, RKT on 20/12/41) rank and parent unit in mid-1944. According to German sources, certain "Major Weyel", a Knight's Cross recipient, was deployed in Serbia at that time; these sources, however, do not mention the first name. Can anyone confirm this was the same person?
Thanks in advance,
G.
Re: RKT Erich Weyel in 1944?
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Yes, it is the same person, Maj. Erich Weyel, 1944 Kpf.Gr. leader in Serbia
Rossano
P.S.: he was 8/9.44 leader of a Kpf.Gr. in Serbia but was he at the same time cdr. of a Btl. or Rgt.(if yes, which ?) or not ?
Yes, it is the same person, Maj. Erich Weyel, 1944 Kpf.Gr. leader in Serbia
Rossano
P.S.: he was 8/9.44 leader of a Kpf.Gr. in Serbia but was he at the same time cdr. of a Btl. or Rgt.(if yes, which ?) or not ?
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Re: RKT Erich Weyel in 1944?
Hi Rossano,
"KG" your source probably refers to is actually a Chetnik formation (4th Group of Assault Corps), to which Weyel was attached as a liaison officer. The question remains, which German unit/command Weyel served with.
Cheers,
G.
"KG" your source probably refers to is actually a Chetnik formation (4th Group of Assault Corps), to which Weyel was attached as a liaison officer. The question remains, which German unit/command Weyel served with.
Cheers,
G.
Re: RKT Erich Weyel in 1944?
OK, thanks, Rossano
P.S.: do You know anything about a "Gruppe Oberstleutnant Faninger" (in Internet) on 9.3.42 with chetniks ?
In the Heeres-DALs(lists) there is one Faninger only, but he became OTL. later (on 1.12.42)
P.S.: do You know anything about a "Gruppe Oberstleutnant Faninger" (in Internet) on 9.3.42 with chetniks ?
In the Heeres-DALs(lists) there is one Faninger only, but he became OTL. later (on 1.12.42)
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Hi Rossano,Rossano wrote:OK, thanks, Rossano
P.S.: do You know anything about a "Gruppe Oberstleutnant Faninger" (in Internet) on 9.3.42 with chetniks ?
In the Heeres-DALs(lists) there is one Faninger only, but he became OTL. later (on 1.12.42)
This battle group took part in "Operation S" against the Partisans in Eastern Bosnia in late August 1942. Faninger (who was the CO of 750th Infantry Regiment) had at his disposal the 2nd Battalion of his own regiment, one NDH Home Guard battalion and two batteries of artillery.
(Zbornik XII/4/II/631, Divisional order no- 26 for operation "S", 17 August 1942).
The Chetnik group in question was led by Dušan Kovačević, and, according to one document, this group has "proven itself" during the Operation "S" (NAW, T-315, Roll 2271, 000083, Situation report for the period 21-31 August 1942, 1 September 1942). One later German report describes Kovačević as "one of the most sincere Chetnik commanders"; the strength of his unit was about 500 men (ibid., 001445, Chetniks north of the demarcation line, 20 March 1943).
Cheers,
G.
Re: RKT Erich Weyel in 1944?
First of all MANY THANKS !
But why in Internet this group is reported under the date 9.3.42 ? Was there another similar group before end Aug. 42 ? Anyway, I´m pretty sure that this Faninger is the Otl.(1.12.42), so this means that he was by then Major only. Are You sure that he was "Kdr." Inf.Rgt. 750 or maybe as Major only "Führer (i.V. ?)" ? Finally, also important, no first name somewhere for this officer ? Maybe Benno ?
Rgds., Rossano
But why in Internet this group is reported under the date 9.3.42 ? Was there another similar group before end Aug. 42 ? Anyway, I´m pretty sure that this Faninger is the Otl.(1.12.42), so this means that he was by then Major only. Are You sure that he was "Kdr." Inf.Rgt. 750 or maybe as Major only "Führer (i.V. ?)" ? Finally, also important, no first name somewhere for this officer ? Maybe Benno ?
Rgds., Rossano
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I searched the google for "Gruppe Oberstleutnant Faninger", and the first link was to Ben Shepherd's book "Terror in the Balkans", p. 317, footnote 116, document dated 9/3/42, i.e. September 3, 1942. Is this the same "Internet source" you used?But why in Internet this group is reported under the date 9.3.42
Here is the German original, and it reads "Oberstlt. Fanninger" (note the different spelling).Are You sure that he was "Kdr." Inf.Rgt. 750 or maybe as Major only "Führer (i.V. ?)
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Thanks again !
Yes, it is the source. So I misunderstood the date, correct it is 3rd Sept. 42, sorry !
But nonetheless Faninger (or Fanninger) was promoted to Otl. on 1.12.42, so I don´understand, he should have been Major here (maybe commanding a bataillon, or commanding the Rgt. as deputy cdr.). In fact I´ve Otl./Ob. Wüst from 3.42 to 3.43 as cdr. of the Inf.Rgt.750.
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Yes, it is the source. So I misunderstood the date, correct it is 3rd Sept. 42, sorry !
But nonetheless Faninger (or Fanninger) was promoted to Otl. on 1.12.42, so I don´understand, he should have been Major here (maybe commanding a bataillon, or commanding the Rgt. as deputy cdr.). In fact I´ve Otl./Ob. Wüst from 3.42 to 3.43 as cdr. of the Inf.Rgt.750.
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Re: RKT Erich Weyel in 1944?
Hello,
When you look for him you'll find his full family name was 'Faninger, Edler von Amalienheim'. Until the 1930s his first name was René, see for example the obituary for his father (Cillier Zeitung of Febr. 21st, 1929, p.5).
http://www.dlib.si/details/URN:NBN:SI:D ... ageSize=25
Later he changed it to Renatus. A directory of austrian institutions from 1967 mentions him as Renatus Faninger, Oberstlt. a. D., living in Klagenfurt.
In the obituary two brothers of him also appear: Ernst (Oberlt. a. D.) and Beno (tax official). On several other occasions Beno called himself Benno though, for example in the 1916 obituary for their sister.
In the 1939 Klagenfurt address book (https://www.findbuch.at/de/amts-und-adr ... -1939.html) René and Benno are listed but now with the name 'Fanninger'! Benno was Hauptmann a.D. by then and René an active Major .
References:
Manoschek, Walter
"Serbien ist judenfrei": militärische Besatzungspolitik und Judenvernichtung in Serbien 1941/42.
2nd Ed.; Oldenbourg Verlag; Munich; 1995
Best regards
Torsten
Manoschek (1995, p.76, 209) says there was a battalion commander Major Renatus von Faninger in Infanterie-Regiment 750 in Oct. 1941.Rossano wrote:Anyway, I´m pretty sure that this Faninger is the Otl.(1.12.42), so this means that he was by then Major only. Are You sure that he was "Kdr." Inf.Rgt. 750 or maybe as Major only "Führer (i.V. ?)" ? Finally, also important, no first name somewhere for this officer ? Maybe Benno ?
When you look for him you'll find his full family name was 'Faninger, Edler von Amalienheim'. Until the 1930s his first name was René, see for example the obituary for his father (Cillier Zeitung of Febr. 21st, 1929, p.5).
http://www.dlib.si/details/URN:NBN:SI:D ... ageSize=25
Later he changed it to Renatus. A directory of austrian institutions from 1967 mentions him as Renatus Faninger, Oberstlt. a. D., living in Klagenfurt.
In the obituary two brothers of him also appear: Ernst (Oberlt. a. D.) and Beno (tax official). On several other occasions Beno called himself Benno though, for example in the 1916 obituary for their sister.
In the 1939 Klagenfurt address book (https://www.findbuch.at/de/amts-und-adr ... -1939.html) René and Benno are listed but now with the name 'Fanninger'! Benno was Hauptmann a.D. by then and René an active Major .
References:
Manoschek, Walter
"Serbien ist judenfrei": militärische Besatzungspolitik und Judenvernichtung in Serbien 1941/42.
2nd Ed.; Oldenbourg Verlag; Munich; 1995
Best regards
Torsten
Re: RKT Erich Weyel in 1944?
You keep surprising me Torsten, but very good so, keep on......Rgds., Rossano
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Re: RKT Erich Weyel in 1944?
Hello,
according to the 1947 address book for Carinthia (p.386) one Oberstlt. a. D. Benno Fanninger was living in St. Veit an der Glan. So Ben(n)o seems to have stuck with the spelling 'Fanninger' while René reverted to 'Faninger' again but had the first name 'Renatus now (p.119).
https://www.findbuch.at/de/amts-und-adr ... -1947.html
Best regards
Torsten
according to the 1947 address book for Carinthia (p.386) one Oberstlt. a. D. Benno Fanninger was living in St. Veit an der Glan. So Ben(n)o seems to have stuck with the spelling 'Fanninger' while René reverted to 'Faninger' again but had the first name 'Renatus now (p.119).
https://www.findbuch.at/de/amts-und-adr ... -1947.html
Best regards
Torsten
Re: RKT Erich Weyel in 1944?
Thanks again
P.S.: There was 7.44 an Otl. Faninger as stv. Kdt. Stalag XVII B. I believe it was Benno (if so, Fanninger correct ?) or Renatus ?
P.S.2: There was also 3.43 a Maj. Faninger as Kdr. Feldeisenbahn-Masch.Abt.10, Benno or who ? Renatus was Otl. 1.12.42
P.S.: There was 7.44 an Otl. Faninger as stv. Kdt. Stalag XVII B. I believe it was Benno (if so, Fanninger correct ?) or Renatus ?
P.S.2: There was also 3.43 a Maj. Faninger as Kdr. Feldeisenbahn-Masch.Abt.10, Benno or who ? Renatus was Otl. 1.12.42