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Questions about 13 Majore

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Post by Rossano » 25 Oct 2014, 11:23

I hope You experts can positively reply to my new questions below
1)First name + any assignments (from end 42 on only !) for Maj. 1.3.44 (from Rgt.9) v. Arnim ?
2)Assignments (6.43-6.44 only !) for Maj. 1.2.44(from MGB.11) Abs Gerhard ? MIA on 27.6.44 (being in Stab LIII.AK, position ?)
3)Any assignments for Maj. 1.4.44 (from GR.8) Prinz v. Preußen Burchard ? He was 1943 in WK. III, in Fü.Res. or which position ?
4)Any assignments (from 7.43 on only !) for Maj. 1.1.42 (from Fahrschule Hannover) Habel Max ?
5)Any assignments (from mid 44 on only !) for Maj. 1.3.44 (from OKH/HPA) v. Moeller Ulrich ?
6)Any assignments (from mid 44 on only !) for Maj. 1.2.42 (from WBK. Neuruppin) v. Rathenow C-H ?
7)Any assignments (1945 only !) Maj.(1.3.42) Sauer-Nordendorf Egon
8)Any assignments (from end 44 on only !) for Maj. 9.11.44 (from Rgt. 135) Schönhals Helmut (or Helmuth ?) ?
9)Any assignments (from end 44 on only !) for Maj. 1.1.42 (from Rgt. 93) Schulze Joachim ?
10)Any assignments (from end 44 on only !) for Maj."d.R." 1.10.41 (from Rgt. 59) Tasche Otto ?
11)Any assignments (from Sept. 44 on only !) for Maj. (from Rgt. 60) Zapke Günther ?
12)Any assignments (44/45 only !) for Maj."d.R." 1.1.43 (from MGB. 11) Zeller Paul ?
13)Any assignments(from end 44 on only !) for Maj. 1.1.42(from AR.45) Zinkel Erwin ? From 6.44 in Div. Brandbg., as/als ?
In my last topics (Majore, Oberste, and single officers) I had very few replies. Really nobody else can help ???
Thanks, Rossano

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Re: Questions about 13 Majore

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Post by Heimatschuss » 25 Oct 2014, 18:16

Hello Rossano,
Rossano wrote: 3)Any assignments for Maj. 1.4.44 (from GR.8) Prinz v. Preußen Burchard ? He was 1943 in WK. III, in Fü.Res. or which position ?
Heiber (1996, p.306) published a note from the Reich Chancellery dated Sept. 16, 1944 that Burchard Prinz von Preußen had been released from the Wehrmacht (When? summer 1944?) based on a decree by Hitler from May 1943 that high-ranking nobles were no longer allowed to serve as officers, state officials or party officials. Several dozen men were removed from the Wehrmacht under that decree.
Rossano wrote: 13)Any assignments(from end 44 on only !) for Maj. 1.1.42(from AR.45) Zinkel Erwin ? From 6.44 in Div. Brandbg., as/als ?
Erwin Zinkel was already taken POW in Stalingrad. http://www.wehrmacht-awards.com/forums/ ... p?t=487927
I can't say why someone listed him as member of Brandenburg in 1944.

References:

Heiber, Helmut (Ed.)
Der ganz normale Wahnsinn unterm Hakenkreuz.
Triviales und Absonderliches aus den Akten des Dritten Reiches.
F.A. Herbig Verlag; Munich; 1996

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Re: Questions about 13 Majore

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Post by Rossano » 25 Oct 2014, 21:49

Hello Torsten, welcome back (You didn´t reply to my last email.....)
I know Hitler´s decree, so v.Preussen was released(Summer 44 ??). What his position at WK.III (or FR. ?), what in 1944 ?
As to Zinkel that link is very strange as his card reads that from 15.6.44 he served in the Div. Brandenburg. Maybe he was not taken prisoner in Stalingrad but later in 1944 or 45 ? If wrong, maybe that remark was for another Zinkel or what ???
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Post by Heimatschuss » 26 Oct 2014, 14:01

Hello,
Rossano wrote: 6)Any assignments (from mid 44 on only !) for Maj. 1.2.42 (from WBK. Neuruppin) v. Rathenow C-H ?
his first name was

Caspar-Heinrich Oskar Wilhelm Alexander Hermann Ernst von Rathenow
* Ludwigslust 9.9.1898
+ Hamburg 6.3.1962
[Sometimes he also appears as Kaspar-Heinrich.]

He was the owner of the estate farm Plänitz, about 30 km west of Neuruppin. There's something strange about his rank. While the Gotha (1942, p.455) lists him as Hauptmann d. R., GHdA (2001, p.406) gives his final rank as just Oberleutnant d. R. . This may be a hint to a demotion.

References:

Genealogisches Handbuch des Adels.
Vol.126; Verlag C.A. Starke; Limburg/Lahn; 2001

Gothaisches genealogisches Taschenbuch der adeligen Häuser.
41. Jahrgang; Verlag J. Perthes; Gotha; 1942

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Post by Rossano » 26 Oct 2014, 15:55

Thanks Torsten
Couldn´t be that his final rank was Oberstlt. d.R. ? You know that sources often wrongly give Oberltn. instead of correctly Oberstlt. His assignments after mid 44 only could solve this puzzle.
Rgds., Rossano
P.S.: Can You find anything (about his Dienstlaufbahn 9.39-5.45 only) on Gans Siegfried Edler Herr zu Putlitz (ended the war as Otl. d.R.) ?

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Post by Heimatschuss » 26 Oct 2014, 21:32

Hello,
Rossano wrote: Couldn´t be that his final rank was Oberstlt. d.R. ? You know that sources often wrongly give Oberltn. instead of correctly Oberstlt. His assignments after mid 44 only could solve this puzzle.
that's possible. It also could be be that the data on C.-H. von Rathenow is from a draft already decades old. What irritates me in the GHDA entry is that after his rank the otherwise typical a. D. [= retired] is missing. It implies he is/was in active service, at least as a reservist. Decades after his death that's nonsense of course. It makes sense though if written before he became a Hauptmann d. R..
P.S.: Can You find anything (about his Dienstlaufbahn 9.39-5.45 only) on Gans Siegfried Edler Herr zu Putlitz (ended the war as Otl. d.R.) ?

Siegfried Albert Adolf Busso Gans [Edler Herr] zu Putlitz
* Brandenburg an der Havel 12. 7. 1886
+ Breitenburg near Itzehoe 25. 6. 1964
Oberstlt. d. Res. a. D.

Source:

Genealogisches Handbuch des Adels
Vol.80; Verlag C.A. Starke; Limburg/Lahn; 1982, s.101ff.

On Oct 3rd 1942 he received a Croatian decoration (though I fail to understand which one) as a Major in Infanterie-Regiment 721.
http://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic. ... 2#p1698842

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Post by Rossano » 27 Oct 2014, 11:47

Thanks Torsten
Rgds., Rossano
P.S.: my email ???

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Re: Questions about 13 Majore

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Post by Heimatschuss » 30 Oct 2014, 23:21

Hello Rossano,
As to Zinkel that link is very strange as his card reads that from 15.6.44 he served in the Div. Brandenburg. Maybe he was not taken prisoner in Stalingrad but later in 1944 or 45 ? If wrong, maybe that remark was for another Zinkel or what ???
there was another officer called Zinkel but he only was a Hauptmann in 1945. Kurowski lists him as commander of III./Jäger-Regiment 2 'Brandenburg' (btln disbanded Jan. 23, 1945) and then CO of II./Jäger-Regiment 2 'Brandenburg'. This is supported by Spaeter & Johnston (2000, pp.194) who refer to this Hptm. Zinkel as commanding II./Jäger-Regiment 2 'Brandenburg' at least in the time Febr. 2nd - Febr. 8th, 1945 during the fighting in the area of Raudten / Pilgramsdorf (Silesia).

It seems possible Hauptmann Zinkel is identical to that Leutnant Zinkel who served in 4./Infanterie-Regiment 45 in Jan. 1939.
http://gliederungundstellenbesetzung.bl ... r45-d.html
If before WW II one Zinkel was in Artillerie-Regiment 45 and the other in Infanterie-Regiment 45 it's understandable to some degree why they were confused.

References:

Kurowski, Franz
Deutsche Kommandotrupps 1939-1945. "Brandenburger" und Abwehr im weltweiten Einsatz. Vol. 1
Motorbuch Verlag; Stuttgart; 2000

Spaeter, Helmut; Johnston, David C.
The History of the Panzerkorps Grossdeutschland, Vol. 3
J.J.Fedorowicz Publishing; Winnipeg; 2000

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