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Re: Generals Officers Seniority Dates (RDA)

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Post by askropp » 17 Nov 2015, 21:29

Generalmajore
01.08.1940 (5) Osterkamp
01.07.1941 (1) Neumann-Silkow
01.06.1943 (1) Wedel
01.06.1943 (4) Fries
01.06.1943 (6b) Wittmann
01.02.1944 (17) Mertens

Lancelle and Bernuth died without RDA.

Generalleutnante
01.02.1941 (10) Doehla
01.07.1942 (8) Groschupf
01.07.1942 (9) Molo
01.07.1942 (10) Schneider
19.12.1942 Eibl
01.04.1943 (2a) Bülowius
01.10.1943 (14) Roth
01.03.1944 (2) Raitz von Frentz

Schmidt was never an active GL.
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Re: Generals Officers Seniority Dates (RDA)

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Post by askropp » 18 Nov 2015, 00:40

Has anybody the RDA numbers of Generalmajore Ludwig Krug and Fritz Polack (01.07.1944)?
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Re: Generals Officers Seniority Dates (RDA)

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Post by histan » 18 Nov 2015, 01:11

Fritz Polack RDA 01.07.1944 (9) [From his "generalskartei"]

No information on Krug

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Re: Generals Officers Seniority Dates (RDA)

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Post by Aisingioro » 18 Nov 2015, 04:04

Generalleutnant (RDA)
1940.01.01 (-) Thomas, Georg 1890-1946
1940.01.01 (-) Weisenberger, Karl 1890-1952
1940.01.01 (-) Chappuis, Friedrich von 1886-1942
1940.02.01 (-) Mattenklott, Franz 1884-1954
1940.02.01 (-) Sodenstern, Georg von 1889-1955
1940.02.01 (-) Sponeck, Hans Graf von 1888-1944
1940.03.01 (-) Ott, Eugen 1890-1966
1940.03.01 (-) Mieth, Friedrich 1888-1944
1940.04.01 (-) Suttner, Hans 1886-1960
1940.06.01 (-) Pellengahr, Richard 1883-1964
1940.06.01 (-) Obernitz, Justin von 1884-1955
1940.06.01 (-) Tippelskirch, Kurt von 1891-1957
1940.07.01 (-) Renner, Kurt 1886-1943
1940.07.01 (-) Cranz, Friedrich-Karl 1886-1941
1940.08.01 (-) Vierow, Erwin 1890-1982
1940.08.01 (-) Reinecke, Hermann 1888-1973
1940.08.01 (-) Müller, Eugen 1891-1951
1940.10.01 (-) Mundt, Hans 1886-1970
1940.10.01 (-) Witthöft, Joachim 1897-1966
1940.12.01 (-) Neuling, Ferdinand 1885-1960
1940.12.01 (-) Schönhärl, Hans 1878-1954
1940.12.01 (-) Wetzel, Wilhelm 1888-1964

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Re: Generals Officers Seniority Dates (RDA)

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Post by santiago167 » 18 Nov 2015, 18:19

Hi Aisingoro

Generalleutnant (RDA)

Thomas, Georg 1890-1946 GL 1.1.1940 (2)
Weisenberger, Karl 1890-1952 GL 1.1.1940 (4)
Chappuis, Friedrich von 1886-1942 GL 1.1.1940 (6)
Mattenklott, Franz 1884-1954 GL 1.2.1940 (5)
Sodenstern, Georg von 1889-1955 GL 1.2.1940 (6)
Sponeck, Hans Graf von 1888-1944 GL 1,2,1940 (7)
Ott, Eugen 1890-1966 GL 1.3.1940 (4)
Mieth, Friedrich 1888-1944 GL 1.3.1940 (7)
Suttner, Hans 1886-1960 GL 1.4.1940 (2)
Pellengahr, Richard 1883-1964 GL 1.6.1940 (1)
Obernitz, Justin von 1884-1955 GL 1.6.1940 (3)
Tippelskirch, Kurt von 1891-1957 GL 1.6.1940 (5)
Renner, Kurt 1886-1943 GL 1.7.1940 (2)
Cranz, Friedrich-Karl 1886-1941 GL 1.7.1940 (3)
Vierow, Erwin 1890-1982 GL 1.1.1940 (3)
Reinecke, Hermann 1888-1973 GL 1.8.1940 (9)
Müller, Eugen 1891-1951 GL 1.8.1940 (8)
Mundt, Hans 1886-1970 GL 1.9.1940 (6)
Witthöft, Joachim 1897-1966 GL 1.10.1940 (1)
Neuling, Ferdinand 1885-1960 GL 1.12.1940 (1)
Schönhärl, Hans 1878-1954 GL 1.12.1940 (4)
Wetzel, Wilhelm 1888-1964 GL 1.12.1940 (5)


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Re: Generals Officers Seniority Dates (RDA)

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Post by askropp » 18 Nov 2015, 21:21

The Keilig Rangliste lists Krug in the appendix among officers with unconfirmed promotions, all other cases being from 1945. Krug was captured in Normandy on 10.06.1944 and seems to have been promoted as PoW. His RDA as Oberst would fit into the 01.07.1944 batch of promotions. He should have ranked between Gebb (5) and Hofmeister (5a), but this is not possible. There are similar cases in which the officers in question simply got the next possible RDA, this would be the (5b).

Also missing is the 01.07.1944 (3). As Martin Schmidt, the (2), had been Oberst mit RDA vom 01.10.1940 (33a) and Matthias Peters, the (4), got an upgraded RDA as Oberst of 01.10.1940 (33c) according to Keilig, the Oberst mit RDA vom 01.10.1940 (33b) must have been the (3). Trouble is, the 1944 DAL does neither list Peters nor the slot above him, both RDA-Verbessserungen must have occurred after 01.05.1944.
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Re: Generals Officers Seniority Dates (RDA)

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Post by Aisingioro » 19 Nov 2015, 02:54

Tks, Santiago & askropp :D
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Generalleutnant (RDA)

1940.04.01 (-) Ammon, Carl von 1878-1946
1940.07.01 (-) Jodl, Alfred 1890-1946
1941.01.01 (-) Chevallerie, Kurt von der 1891-1945
1941.01.01 (-) Schellert, Otto 1889-1975
1941.03.01 (-) Marcks, Erich 1891-1944
1941.04.01 (-) Peltz, Joachim 1883-1954
1941.04.01 (-) Siebert, Friedrich 1888-1950
1941.04.01 (-) Sinnhuber, Johann 1887-1979
1941.04.01 (-) Stengel, Hans 1880-1945
1941.06.01 (-) Riebesam, Ludwig 1882-1958
1941.06.01 (-) Rintelen, Enno von 1891-1971
1941.06.01 (-) Roettig, Otto 1887-1966
1941.06.01 (-) Straube, Erich 1887-1971
1941.06.01 (-) Stever, Johann-Joachim 1889-1945
1941.07.01 (-) Oven, Karl von 1888-1974
1941.07.01 (-) Sponheimer, Otto 1886-1961
1941.08.01 (-) Stemmermann, Wilhelm 1888-1944
1941.08.01 (-) Moser, Willi 1887-1948
1941.08.01 (-) Wittke, Walter 1887-1955
1941.09.01 (-) Tittel, Hermann 1888-1959
1941.09.01 (-) Strack, Heinrich 1887-1943
1941.10.01 (-) Meyer-Buerdorf, Heinrich 1888-1971
1941.11.01 (-) Buschmann, Friedrich 1885-1954
1941.12.01 (-) Otto, Ernst 1886-1965
1941.12.01 (-) Rendulic, Lothar 1887-1971
1941.12.01 (-) Seydlitz-Kurzbach, Walter von 1888-1976
1941.12.01 (-) Osterkamp, Herbert 1894-1970

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Re: Generals Officers Seniority Dates (RDA)

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Post by askropp » 19 Nov 2015, 16:25

Generalmajor
01.04.1940 (20) Ammon

Generalleutnante
01.01.1941 (1) Schellert
01.01.1941 (3) Chevallerie
01.03.1941 (5) Marcks
01.04.1941 (1) Sinnhuber
01.04.1941 (5) Peltz
01.04.1941 (6) Siebert
01.04.1941 (7) Stengel
01.06.1941 (1) Stever
01.06.1941 (4) Straube
01.06.1941 (5) Roettig
01.06.1941 (9) Rintelen
01.06.1941 (13) Riebesam
01.07.1941 (1) Sponheimer
01.07.1941 (2) Oven
01.08.1941 (2) Stemmermann
01.08.1941 (3) Moser
01.08.1941 (4) Wittke
01.09.1941 (5) Tittel
01.09.1941 (7) Meyer-Buerdorf
01.09.1941 (8) Strack
01.11.1941 (7) Buschmann
01.12.1941 (2) Seydlitz-Kurzbach
01.12.1941 (4) Rendulic
01.12.1941 (9a) Osterkamp
01.12.1941 (10) Otto

If Jodl got a RDA as GL, it was not 01.07.1940 (2) as "Die Generale des Heeres" says (this was Kurt Renner). Jodl could only have been the (7) as he was junior to the other six officers promoted on that date.
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Re: Generals Officers Seniority Dates (RDA)

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Post by Aisingioro » 19 Nov 2015, 18:46

Tks, :D :D

Generalleutnant (RDA)
1941.12.01 (9) Braun, Georg????????

1942.02.01 (-) Unruh, Walter von 1877-1956
1942.02.01 (-) Nehring, Walther 1892-1983
1942.03.01 (-) Rothkirch und Trach, Edwin Graf von 1888-1980
1942.03.01 (-) Tettau, Hans von 1888-1956
1942.03.01 (-) Zorn, Hans 1891-1943
1942.03.01 (-) Schörner, Ferdinand 1892-1973
1942.04.01 (-) Radlmaier, Ludwig Ritter von 1887-1943
1942.04.01 (-) Wagner, Eduard 1894-1944
1942.04.01 (-) Warlimont, Walter 1894-1976
1942.06.01 (-) Pfeiffer, Georg 1890-1944
1942.07.01 (-) Schneckenburger, Wilhelm 1891-1944
1942.07.01 (-) Lahode, Kurt 1888-1946
1942.08.01 (-) Rittau, Stephan 1891-1942
1942.08.01 (-) Thoma, Wilhelm Ritter von 1891-1948
1942.08.01 (-) Weiß, Walter 1890-1967
1942.08.01 (-) Bismarck, Georg von 1891-1942
1942.09.01 (-) Völckers, Paul 1891-1946
1942.10.01 (-) Nolte, Hans-Erich 1880-1964
1942.10.01 (-) Mantell, Hermann 1878-1955
1942.10.01 (-) Wandel, Martin 1892-1943
1942.10.01 (-) Wöhler, Otto 1894-1987
1942.10.01 (-) Roman, Rudolf Freiherr von 1893-1970
1942.10.01 (-) Toussaint, Rudolf 1891-1968
1942.11.01 (-) Petsch, Theodor 1884-1973
1942.11.01 (-) Ondarza, Herbert von 1878-1971
1942.12.01 (-) Sodan, Ralf 1880-1945
1942.12.01 (-) Wolff, Ludwig 1893-1968
1942.12.01 (-) Vaerst, Gustav von 1894-1975
1942.12.01 (-) Ziegler, Heinz 1894-1972


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Re: Generals Officers Seniority Dates (RDA)

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Post by askropp » 19 Nov 2015, 21:12

Braun's RDA is correct, although he died before he could take his new rank.
Unruh was a z.V.-Offizier.
Nehring was ernannt on 01.02.1942 without RDA.

01.03.1942 (4) Tettau
01.03.1942 (6) Rothkirch und Trach
01.03.1942 (6a) Zorn
01.03.1942 (6d) Schörner
01.04.1942 (8) Radlmaier
01.04.1942 (13) Wagner
01.04.1942 (14) Warlimont
01.06.1942 (4) Pfeiffer
01.07.1942 (3) Schneckenburger
01.07.1942 (6) Lahode
01.08.1942 (6) Thoma
01.08.1942 (10) Rittau
01.08.1942 (15) Weiß
01.08.1942 (16) Bismarck - posthumous
01.09.1942 (9) Völckers
01.10.1942 (9) Nolte
01.10.1942 (10) Mantell
01.10.1942 (12) Roman
01.10.1942 (12a) Toussaint
01.10.1942 (17) Wandel
01.10.1942 (21) Wöhler
01.11.1942 (1) Ondarza
01.11.1942 (14) Petsch
01.12.1942 (7) Sodan
01.12.1942 (8) Wolff
01.12.1942 (10) Vaerst
03.12.1942 Ziegler
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Re: Generals Officers Seniority Dates (RDA)

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Post by Aisingioro » 20 Nov 2015, 13:02

Generalleutnant (RDA)
1943.01.01 (-) Hauffe, Arthur 1892-1944
1943.01.01 (-) Müller, Richard 1891-1943
1943.01.01 (-) Raus, Erhard 1889-1956
1943.01.01 (-) Rupp, Ernst 1892-1943
1943.01.01 (-) Schlemmer, Johann 1893-1973
1943.01.01 (-) Szelinski, Arnold 1891-1943
1943.01.01 (-) Thomaschki, Siegfried 1894-1967
1943.01.01 (-) Weidling, Helmuth 1891-1955
1943.01.01 (-) Wessel, Walter 1892-1943
1943.01.01 (-) Wickede, Thomas-Emil von 1893-1944
1943.01.01 (-) Wiese, Friedrich 1892-1975
1943.02.01 (-) Mayer, Johannes 1893-1963
1943.02.01 (-) Praun, Albert 1894-1975
1943.03.01 (-) Diringshofen, Max von 1876-1959
1943.03.01 (-) Recknagel, Hermann 1892-1945
1943.03.01 (-) Scheele, Hans-Karl von 1892-1955
1943.03.01 (-) Schmidt, Friedrich 1892-1943
1943.03.01 (-) Wegener, Wilhelm 1895-1944
1943.04.01 (-) Matzky, Gerhard 1894-1983
1943.04.01 (-) Müller, Friedrich-Wilhelm 1897-1947
1943.04.01 (-) Püchler, Carl 1894-1949
1943.04.01 (-) Röhricht, Edgar 1892-1967
1943.04.01 (-) Saucken, Dietrich von 1892-1980
1943.04.01 (-) Schilling, Walter 1895-1943
1943.04.01 (-) Schmundt, Rudolf 1896-1944
1943.04.01 (-) Stumpfeld, Hans-Joachim von 1881-1968
1943.04.01 (-) Vogel, Emil 1894-1985
1943.07.01 (-) Müller, Ludwig 1892-1972
1943.07.01 (-) Oesterreich, Curt von 1880-1949
1943.07.01 (-) Prieß, Hellmuth 1896-1944
1943.07.01 (-) Schulz, Friedrich 1897-1976
1943.07.01 (-) Vormann, Nikolaus von 1895-1959
1943.08.01 (-) Specht, Karl-Wilhelm 1894-1953
1943.08.01 (-) Melzer, Walter 1894-1961
1943.08.01 (-) Deutsch, Friedrich-Wilhelm 1892-1944
1943.09.01 (-) Thumm, Hellmuth 1895-1977
1943.09.01 (-) Volckamer von Kirchensittenbach, Friedrich 1894-1989
1943.10.01 (-) Lüttwitz, Smilo Freiherr von 1895-1975
1943.10.01 (-) Schwalbe, Felix 1892-1974
1943.10.01 (-) Wolfsberger, Franz 1884-1966
1943.11.01 (-) Versock, Kurt 1895-1963
1943.12.01 (-) Kessel, Mortimer von 1893-1981

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Post by askropp » 21 Nov 2015, 21:33

I don't have much time, so I will post the second part later.

Part 1:
01.01.1943 (17) Hauffe
01.01.1943 (18) Raus
01.01.1943 (21) Scheele
01.01.1943 (35) Weidling
01.01.1943 (37) Szelinski
01.01.1943 (39) Wessel
01.01.1943 (42) Thomaschki
01.01.1943 (43) Rupp
01.01.1943 (44) Müller
01.01.1943 (52) Schlemmer
01.01.1943 (64) Wickede
01.01.1943 (69) Wiese
01.02.1943 (3) Wegener
01.02.1943 (5) Mayer
01.02.1943 (5a) Praun
01.03.1943 (3) Diringshofen
01.03.1943 (4a) Schmidt
01.03.1943 (6) Recknagel
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Tks :D

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Part 2:
01.04.1943 (1) Stumpfeld
01.04.1943 (1a) Schmundt
01.04.1943 (2a1) Saucken
01.04.1943 (2c) Matzky
01.04.1943 (3a) Röhricht
01.04.1943 (8) Schilling
01.04.1943 (10b1) Püchler
01.04.1943 (12) F.-W. Müller
01.04.1943 (12c) Vogel
01.07.1943 (2) Oesterreich
01.07.1943 (4) Schulz
01.07.1943 (4b) L. Müller
01.07.1943 (5d) Vormann
01.07.1943 (6) Prieß
01.08.1943 (2b) Deutsch
01.08.1943 (4) Specht
01.08.1943 (6) Melzer
01.09.1943 (9a) Volckamer
01.09.1943 (18) Thumm
01.10.1943 (9) Wolfsberger
01.10.1943 (9b) Schwalbe
01.10.1943 (10) Lüttwitz
01.11.1943 (4a) Versock
01.12.1943 (4) Kessel
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Re: Generals Officers Seniority Dates (RDA)

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Post by Aisingioro » 24 Nov 2015, 16:05

Tks,

GL(RDA)

1941.12.01 (09) ??????????
1942.08.01 (11) ??????????
1943.01.01 (08) ??????????
1943.02.01 (02) ??????????
1943.09.01 (12) ??????????
1943.09.01 (20) ??????????
1943.10.01 (07) ??????????
1943.10.01 (12a)??????????

1943.09.01 (-) Jodl, Ferdinand 1896-1956
1944.01.01 (-) Schack, Friedrich-August 1892-1968
1944.02.01 (-) Manteuffel, Hasso von 1897-1978
1944.02.01 (-) Röpke, Kurt 1896-1966
1944.03.01 (-) Thoholte, Karl 1893-1954
1944.04.01 (-) Rasp, Siegfried 1898-1968
1944.04.01 (-) Niehoff, Hermann 1897-1980
1944.07.01 (-) Mellenthin, Horst von 1898-1977
1944.10.01 (-) Schilling, Otto 1892-1982
1944.11.09 (-) Walter, Paul 1889-1957
1944.12.01 (-) Crasemann, Eduard 1891-1950
1945.01.01 (-) Hirschfeld, Harald von 1912-1945
1945.01.30 (-) Bentivegni, Franz-Eccard von 1896-1958
1945.01.30 (-) Junck, Hans 1893-1966

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