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Post by Greyfinn » 13 May 2003, 17:09

Hello ,
Could somebody recognize this gentleman ?

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Post by Helly Angel » 13 May 2003, 18:34

Well... The rune in cross in the arm mean is Member of School of Leaders of SS

The SS grade in the neck is Brigadeführer before 1941. In this year was changed. This photo was taken before these year.
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Post by HPL2008 » 13 May 2003, 18:35

This photo also appears in Robert Wistrich's book "Wer war wer im Dritten Reich", where it says it was taken in Munich in 1938 and this man is identified as Karl Wolff.
I had my doubts at first, as I think in this one he looks somehow different from other photographs of him (or maybe it's just my imagination) but at least his decorations and rank do match Wolff's at that time.

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Post by Helly Angel » 13 May 2003, 18:40

Karl Wolff.. I have my doubts. I think is old to be Wolf...

This general have many Awards of the WWI, Wolff has all these badges?

Interesting research...

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Post by Wilfried Abenaschon » 13 May 2003, 21:00

Hi!
At first I was sceptical as well: this man seems to wear a moustache... But when you look closely, that's him (I recognise him quite easily). I can tell because of his chin. Moreover, he wears the aiguillettes which are the insignia of the aide de camp (he was the main aide de camp of the Reichsführer-SS for a long time). Beside this, he wore some medals from the first world war.

Next to him seats the Sipolizeiführer SSGF Heydrich.

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Post by HPL2008 » 13 May 2003, 23:46

Helly Angel wrote:This general have many Awards of the WWI, Wolff has all these badges?
Yes, the December 1938 Dienstaltersliste shows the following decorations for Karl Wolff:

- Iron Cross 1st Class (from WW I)
- 1914/18 Cross Of Honor With Swords
- SS Honor Sword
- SS Honor Ring
- SA Sports Badge
- German Sports Badge

The man in this photograph (which is much clearer in the Wistrich book) can be seen to wear the Iron Cross 1st and 2nd Class, the 1914/18 Honor Cross, the German Sports Badge and is also holding the SS Honor Sword. Thus the decorations match perfectly except for the lack of the SA Sports Badge, which may well simply be covered by his left arm.
(The Iron Cross 2nd Class is not listed separately in the DAL for holders of the First Class because every recipient of the 1st Class also had the 2nd Class as well.)
Wilfried Abenaschon wrote:Moreover, he wears the aiguillettes which are the insignia of the aide de camp (he was the main aide de camp of the Reichsführer-SS for a long time)
Good point, too! (The man in front of him is, of course, Himmler.)

At first I was sceptical as well: this man seems to wear a moustache...


In the photo in Wistrich's book you can tell it's not a moustache, just a shadow.

Next to him seats the Sipolizeiführer SSGF Heydrich.
Right, and Wistrich identifies the man next to Heydrich as August Heissmeyer.

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Post by Wilfried Abenaschon » 14 May 2003, 12:17

Wonderful!!!
I didn't dare asking as the pic is very poor... Could you scan a better one ? I have my doupts about Heißmeyer...
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Post by Mark Costa » 14 May 2003, 13:27

the photo is definately of Karl Wolff -- I will post the a clearer complete photo showing Himmler, Dietrich and Heydrich also sitting in the car as well. It was taken outside of Wewelsburg in the mid-1930's. And Wolff did indeed have a small moustache during this period.

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Post by Greyfinn » 14 May 2003, 16:38

Thank you all,
..and waiting forclearer scan...
(I took my pic from newspaper, and quality is ...hmmm.....you see :) )
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Post by feldmarschall » 21 May 2003, 02:26

I think he is Ritter von epp
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Post by WTW26 » 21 May 2003, 14:19

feldmarschall wrote:I think he is Ritter von epp
bye
Von Epp wasn't an SS member, apart from that he didn't look like the man on the photo at all.

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Post by Mark Costa » 22 May 2003, 01:21

Here is a better quality photo of Wolff in the photo above. It was taken at Quelinberg and another photo taken at the same occasion can be seen on page 52 of Martin Mansson book on Himmler.

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Post by Greyfinn » 22 May 2003, 09:55

Thanks Mark,
Now all is clear for me
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Post by Wilfried Abenaschon » 22 May 2003, 12:31

Good!!!

As I thought, the third man isn't Heißmeyer... Who's this Oberführer (unless he is Gruppenführer)?

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Post by Mark Costa » 22 May 2003, 13:23

I believe it is Heissmeyer -- check Martin Manssson book on Himmler on page 52 and you will see an other photo at this event and the other guy is Heissmeyer. The photo is too grainy here to bear that out.

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