Obersten Anton Mangold (1896-?) & Ernst Mangold (1906-?)

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Obersten Anton Mangold (1896-?) & Ernst Mangold (1906-?)

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Post by askropp » 20 May 2017, 20:08

As I mentioned here, there was an Oberst Mangold at the 16. DFL who later commanded 251. ID, but due to an error, this was attributed both to Anton and Ernst in the Generalskartei (R-890). Rossano called to my attention that one or both Mangolds can also be found in the Kartei der Infanterieoffiziere (R-912) and Panzergrenadieroffiziere (R-941), and there is also the card of 251. ID in R-896. With the help of those infos (as well as the DAL) I will now try to determine the career of both officers.
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About Anton Mangold, we have one Karteikarte from the Generalskartei (Divisionsführer), a second one from the Kartei der Infanterieoffiziere and a third one from the Kartei der Panzergrenadieroffiziere. His career until February 1944:

xx.xx.1935 Hauptmann (E) mit RDA vom 01.10.1934
xx.xx.193x Hauptmann mit RDA vom 01.04.1934 (194)
01.12.1939 Major (67)
01.03.1942 Oberstleutnant (373)
01.06.1943 Oberst (50)

in Stellenbesetzung of:
01.11.1935 im Wehrbezirkskommando Memmingen
07.10.1936 Chef der 2. / Infanterieregiment 40 (Augsburg)
12.10.1937 Chef der 2. / Infanterieregiment 40 (Augsburg)
10.11.1938 Chef der 2. / Infanterieregiment 40 (Augsburg)
26.08.1939 Kommandeur des Infanterieersatzbataillons 40
31.01.1940 Kommandeur des I. / Infanterieregiment 40
20.08.1941 Kommandeur des Schützenersatzbataillons 40 (mot.)
01.02.1942 im Stab der Schule I für Offizieranwärter der Infanterie
01.03.1942 Taktiklehrer an der Schule II für Offizieranwärter der Infanterie
10.06.1942 Lehrgruppenkommandeur an der Schule I für Offizieranwärter der Infanterie
01.11.1943 Führerreserve OKH (VII)
16.11.1943 kommandiert zum Regimentsführerlehrgang an der Panzertruppenschule I
10.02.1944 Führerreserve OB Südwest
15.02.1944 Kommandeur des Grenadierregiments 1028

Spange zum EK II
Spange zum EK I
15.11.1941 Deutsches Kreuz in Gold
Infanteriesturmabzeichen
Ehrenblattspange
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Post by askropp » 20 May 2017, 22:03

About Ernst Mangold, we have one Karteikarte from the Generalskartei (Höhere Adjutanten), a second one from the Generalskartei (Divisionsführer) and a third one from the Kartei der Infanterieoffiziere. His career until February 1944:

16.12.1928 Polizei-Leutnant
01.01.1934 Polizei-Oberleutnant
01.08.1935 Oberleutnant mit RDA vom 01.05.1933 (18x)
01.10.1936 Hauptmann (28)
01.08.1941 Major (19)
08.08.1943 Oberstleutnant mit RDA vom 01.07.1943 (86e)
01.07.1944 Oberst (44)

10.05.1925 als Polizeioffiziersanwärter eingetreten
01.08.1935 ins Reichsheer übergeführt
01.10.1935 Nachrichtenoffizier im Stab des Infanterieregiments 19 (München)
06.10.1936 Chef der 7. / Infanterieregiment 19 (München)
12.10.1937 Chef der 3. / Infanterieregiment 36 (Gießen)
15.05.1940 Führerreserve OKH (IX)
11.10.1940 Adjutant der 129. Infanteriedivision
11.01.1942 im Infanterieersatzbataillon 88
29.05.1942 im Infanterieersatzbataillon 36
01.11.1942 Kommandeur des I. / Grenadierregiment 42
26.01.1943 Führerreserve OKH (PzAOK 1)
13.04.1943 mit der Führung des Grenadierregiments 42 beauftragt
25.06.1943 Führerreserve OKH (PzAOK 1)
21.07.1943 Kommandeur des Grenadierregiments 549 (bis 08.08.1943 mFb)
15.11.1943 Führerreserve OKH (IX)
10.02.1944 Kommandeur des Luftwaffen-Jägerregiments 48

19.01.1941 KVK II
10.09.1941 EK II
21.10.1941 KVK I
31.10.1941 EK I
10.01.1942 Verwundetenabzeichen in Schwarz
21.08.1942 Ostmedaille
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Obersten Anton Mangold (1896-?) & Ernst Mangold (1906-?)

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Post by askropp » 20 May 2017, 22:46

After February 1944, things become somewhat murky.

As for Ernst:
1.) The Adjutanten card has no further command entries, but two comments on the back side. In October 1944, Major von Hagen wrote: "Auf Armee-Adjutanten überprüfen. Nicht bekannt." Some time later and in another type of print, a second comment was added: "Hat am Divisionsführerlehrgang teilgenommen, wird demnächst Divisionsführer."
2.) The Divisionsführer card says:
Führerreserve OKH (VII)
kommandiert zum 16. Divisionsführerlehrgang
20.02.1945 kommandiert zur Heeresgruppe Weichsel zur Verwendung als Führer der Kampfgruppe Raegener
28.02.1945 mit der Führung der 251. Infanteriedivision beauftragt
20.03.1945 Führerreserve OKH (HGr Nord)
Among the Beurteilungen are one from Brennecke and one from the DFL-Arzt, diagnosing circulatory problems and recommending a leave of 4-6 weeks. You will note that Ernst was from Wehrkreis IX, not VII.
3.) In the Kartei der Infanterieoffiziere, there are TWO different cards who continue his career after his promotion to Oberstleutnant. One says:
mFb GR 549
Kdr LwJgR 48
Kdr GR 1028
The last entry is obviously wrong and belongs to Anton Mangold. The second card says:
mFb / Kdr GR 549
Kdr LwJgR 48
Sept. 44 als Kdr GR 48 vermisst
Now, as far as I know, LwJgR and GR 48 were two different units, but LwJgR 48 was in fact destroyed in the Mons pocket in September 1944. If Ernst became a PoW or even died then, this could explain the missing of further commands. The DFL and following commands must be wrong in this case.

Now for Anton:
1.) The entry in the Infanterieoffiziere Kartei is very strange. Its says he became ill as Kdr GR 774 in July 1944, but returned on 31 August. According to LdW, there was no GR 774 before December, and the other cards do not mention anything like this. But Anton was in Italy in 1944, and GR 774 later ended up there, even belonging to the same division (715. ID) GR 1028 had belonged to before. The last entry says:
03.10.1944 Führerreserve OKH (VII)
By the way, his year of birth is wrongly given as 1897.
2.) The Divisionsführer card says:
10.10.1944 Führerreserve OKH (VII)
21.11.1944 kommandiert zum 16. Divisionsführerlehrgang
10.01.1945 wehrmachtärztliches Zeugnis: 4-6 Wochen Kur
20.02.1945 kommandiert zur Heeresgruppe Weichsel als Führer der Kampfgruppe Raegener
28.02.1945 mit der Führung der 251. Infanteriedivision beauftragt
19.03.1945 Führerreserve OKH (HGr Nord)
3.) And the Panzergrenadier card has:
10.10.1944 Führerreserve OKH (VII)
21.02.1945 versetzt zur Heeresgruppe Weichsel als Führer der Kampfgruppe Raegener
28.02.1945 mit der Führung der 251. Infanteriedivision beauftragt
19.03.1945 Führerreserve OKH (HGr Nord)
A Beurteilung from AOK 10 in October 1944 says: "Zum Divisionskommandeur geeignet."

And last but not least, our joker, the Divisionen card from R-896:
28.02.1945 Oberst Mangold mFb, RDA 01.06.1943 (50), Birth year 1896

The conclusion is inevitable that Anton was the one who went to the 16. DFL and held all the following commands. Ernst probably disappeared in September 1944 without everybody in the HPA noticing it. Any information on the further fate of both officers is welcome.
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Post by Rossano » 21 May 2017, 11:05

Bravo Askropp
That' s exactly what I too have in my data bank !
Ernst was probably taken prisoner (or KIA) in sept. 44 as Kdr. Lw.JR. 48 (not GR. 48)
But I also have him before attending either the 14. or 15.DFL. Any evidence for that or wrong data ???
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Post by askropp » 21 May 2017, 17:05

I also have him before attending either the 14. or 15.DFL.
From where is that info? If he really went missing in September 1944, both the 14. (08.09. to 07.10.) and 15. (19.10. to 15.11.) must have been too late for him. Dieter does not list him in the DFL threads.
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Post by Rossano » 21 May 2017, 17:40

I too thought the same. So it must be a wrong data (I don' t remember the source.....)

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Post by copiloto » 26 May 2017, 20:18

Hello Forum.
Is it confirmed the EBS for Anton Mangold?
We can find him as winner of the DKiG but there's no data for the EBS in the thread:
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Post by Rossano » 26 May 2017, 20:47

Hello Jordi
Anton Mangold received the Blattspange on 5.9.44 and the Deutsches Kreuz in Gold on 15.11.41
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Post by copiloto » 26 May 2017, 21:11

Hello Rossano
Thank you very much for the information.

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Post by copiloto » 05 Jun 2017, 11:40

By the way.
Does anybody have the awarding dates for the Spange zum EK 1 & EK 2, please?

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Post by askropp » 17 Mar 2018, 18:12

Anton Mangold was the last Führer of 31. Volksgrenadierdivision until he surrendered to the Red Army on Hela in May 1945.

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Post by Dave Danner » 26 May 2021, 14:40

Some additional information on Anton Mangold:

Born 30.5.1896 in Dietmannried, he was a Bavarian Army officer in World War I, entering service on 8.9.1914, commissioned a Leutnant der Reserve in the 15. bayer. Infanterie-Regiment on 14.11.1916, transferred to the bayer. Reserve-Infanterie-Regiment Nr. 12 on 28.4.1917 and released from active duty on 1.4.1919. For further details, his Kriegsranglisten should be on Ancestry.

01.04.1935 Beginn der Probedienstleistung als E-Offizieranwärter
01.10.1935 m.W.v. 01.07
.1935 Hauptmann (E) mit RDA vom 01.10.1934
01.08.1936 Hauptmann mit RDA vom 01.04.1934 (194)

02.03.1916 Eisernes Kreuz 2. Klasse
16.03.1918 Eisernes Kreuz 1. Klasse
24.10.1917 Kgl. bayerischer Militärverdienstorden 4. Klasse mit Schwertern
20.12.1918 Kgl. bayerischer Militärverdienstorden 4. Klasse mit der Krone und Schwertern
02.08.1918 Verwundetenabzeichen in schwarz
26.05.1933 SA-Sportabzeichen in Silber
06.01.1935 Ehrenkreuz für Frontkämpfer
02.10.1936 Wehrmacht (Heer) Dienstauszeichnung 4. Klasse
09.06.1940 1939 Spange zum Eisernen Kreuz 2. Klasse
22.06.1940 1939 Spange zum Eisernen Kreuz 1. Klasse
15.01.1941 Infanteriesturmabzeichen
15.11.1941 Deutsches Kreuz in Gold
05.09.1944 Ehrenblattspange des Heeres
xx.xx.xxxx Medaille zur Erinnerung an den 13. März 1938
xx.xx.xxxx Kriegsverdienstkreuz 2. Klasse mit Schwertern

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Post by harmel » 27 May 2021, 00:40

Cheers Dave!
Many thanks
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Post by graveland » 27 May 2021, 14:46

Thank you, askropp & Dave.

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