Oberst Karl Göbel (1900-1945)

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Oberst Karl Göbel (1900-1945)

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Post by askropp » 09 Oct 2017, 00:31

*20.01.1900 Adelschlag / Mittelfranken [gehört seit 1972 zu Oberbayern]
+xx.xx.1945 [?]

Vater: Sebastian Göbel, Postschaffner a.D. (+ 23.05.1934)
Mutter: Theresia Göbel, geb. Alberter (+ 20.01.1923)
05.11.1926 Heirat mit Maria Ablaßmeier
2 Söhne (* 1930/1933), 1 Tochter (* 1937)

01.03.1935 Oberleutnant (E) mit RDA vom 01.02.1929
01.10.1936 Hauptmann (E) (6)
21.07.1939 neues RDA vom 01.11.1934 (19) erhalten
01.12.1940 Major (E) (52)
01.10.1941 Major mit RDA vom 01.12.1940 (75)
20.01.1943 Oberstleutnant mit RDA vom 01.07.1942 (85a)
01.06.1943 Oberst (63)
01.03.1945 Generalmajor

22.06.1918 eingezogen zum Ersatzbataillon des Infanterieregiments 13
01.01.1921 als Unteroffizieranwärter ins Infanterieregiment 20 übernommen
05.09.1930 ausgeschieden (zuletzt Oberfeldwebel)
01.03.1935 als E-Offizier wieder angestellt im Ergänzungsbataillon 39 (Eßlingen)
01.11.1936 im Ergänzungsbataillon des Infanterieregiments 119 (Eßlingen)
12.10.1937 Adjutant des Ergänzungsbataillons des Infanterieregiments 119 (Eßlingen) [laut Stellenbesetzung]
10.11.1938 Chef der 2. (E) / Infanterieregiment 119 (Eßlingen) [laut Stellenbesetzung]
26.08.1939 Kompaniechef im Infanterieregiment 460
21.10.1940 Kompaniechef im Infanterieregiment 420
12.03.1941 Bataillonskommandeur im Infanterieregiment 419
20.10.1942 Kommandeur des Grenadierregiments 420 (bis 01.12.1942 mFb)
10.03.1944 Führerreserve OKH (V)
30.05.1944 Kommandeur des Grenadierregiments Böhmen 1
01.07.1944 Kommandeur des Grenadierregiments 305
25.09.1944 Führerreserve OKH (V)
19.10.1944 kommandiert zum 15. Divisionsführerlehrgang (bis 15.11.1944)
10.12.1944 mit der Führung der 299. Infanteriedivision beauftragt

16.06.1940 EK II
03.08.1941 EK I
20.08.1941 Infanteriesturmabzeichen
25.05.1942 Deutsches Kreuz in Gold
01.09.1942 Ostmedaille
10.09.1942 Ritterkreuz
08.06.1943 Eichenlaub (252.)
17.06.1943 Verwundetenabzeichen in Silber

Bradley and LdW say (possibly based on Keilig) that Göbel was mortally wounded on 16.02.1945. Bradley gives "Schalmey, Kurlandfront" as the place, but Schalmey is in Ostpreußen where Göbel's division was later destroyed in the Kessel of Heiligenbeil. Bradley and LdW then give 02.03.1945 as his date of death and Eßlingen (his last peacetime residence) as the place. But both cards in the Generalskartei give 27.02.1945 as date of death. A place is not given. Irrelevant as it may be, as 1 March was the mit Wirkung von date of Göbel's promotion, he would have died as an Oberst on 27 February but as a Generalmajor on 2 March. In any case, the promotion was not intended to be nachträglich.

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Re: Oberst (Generalmajor?) Karl Göbel (1900-1945)

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Post by Dave Danner » 09 Oct 2017, 03:49

22.06.1918 eingezogen zum Ersatzbataillon des Infanterieregiments 13
A distinction should be made here. Göbel was a Bavarian. In the Bavarian Army, regular regiments were named according to the format "#-Type-Regiment". In the Prussian Army (with Saxony and Württemberg following the Prussian model), the format was "Type-Regiment Nr. #". Göbel entered the 13. Infanterie-Regiment "Franz Joseph I., Kaiser von Österreich und Apostolischer König von Ungarn", or 13. Infanterie-Regiment. Infanterie-Regiment 13 was Infanterie-Regiment Herwarth von Bittenfeld (1. Westfälisches) Nr. 13. Wartime Bavarian regiments did not follow the same format, unfortunately, so in several cases there were regiments with the same name. Thus, for example, there was a Prussian Reserve-Infanterie-Regiment Nr. 1, raised in East Prussia, and a Bavarian Reserve-Infanterie Regiment Nr. 1, raised in Upper Bavaria.

More details on his career in the Bavarian Army and in the vorläufige Reichswehr:

22.06.1918 als Infanterist b. Rekr.Dep. d. 13. bay.IR eingezogen
20.08.1918 als Schütze z. 4. Ersatz-Maschinengewehr-Kompanie d. III.bay.AK versetzt
25.09.1918 z. Feldrekrutendepot d. 15. bay.ID versetzt
17.11.1918 z. 2. MG-Komp./32. bay.IR versetzt
14.12.1918 entlassen
01.03.1919 als Schütze i.d. Sich.-MG-Komp. Regler eingetreten
04.06.1919 z. Reichsw.-Inf.-Rgt. 48 versetzt
20.09.1920 z. Reichsw.-Inf.-Rgt. 20 versetzt

Reichswehr promotions:
01.02.1921 Oberschütze
06.05.1922 Gefreiter
01.11.1922 Unteroffizier
01.12.1924 Unterfeldwebel
01.11.1926 Feldwebel
01.11.1927 Oberfeldwebel

A few Heer Dienstlaufbahn additions:
01.10.1941 zu den aktiv. Tr.Offz. übergeführt
08.09.1942 m.d.F.b. d. IR 420
20.10.1942 Fhr.Res. OKH, m.d.F.b. d. IR 420

The last entry in the Dienstlaufbahn is:
22. 1945.1.3. Gen.Maj. bef. 299. ID z. Kdr. ern. (Chefgru. c v. 26.2.45)
So you are right that it was intended to be a regular promotion. There was nothing on his death in his HPA file.

Some additions to the awards list:
09.10.1925 Deutsches Sportabzeichen in Bronze
15.12.1934 Ehrenkreuz für Frontkämpfer
xx.xx.1944 Nahkampfspange in Bronze

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Post by graveland » 09 Oct 2017, 15:22

Thank you, Dave & askropp.

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Post by Requin Marteau » 24 Nov 2017, 17:36

- Deutsches Sportabzeichen in Bronze (09.10.1925),
- Ehrenkreuz des Weltkrieges 1914-1918 ohne Schwerter (15.12.1934),
- SA-Sportabzeichen in Bronze,
- SA-Sportabzeichen in Silber
- Wehrmacht Dienstauszeichnung für 12 Jahre (02.10.1938),
- Deutsches Schutzwall-Ehrenzeichen,
- EK II (16.06.1940),
- EK I (3.08.1941),
- Infanterie-Sturmabzeichen in Silber (20.08.1941),
- Verwundeten-Abzeichen in Schwarz (20.09.1942),
- Deutsches Kreuz in Gold (24.05.1942), Kdr III./IR 419
- Ostmedaille (01.09.1942),
- Ritterkreuz (11.09.1942), Kdr III./IR 419
- Eichenlaub (08.06.1943)(252.),
- Verwundeten-Abzeichen in Silber (18.06.1943),
- Panzer-Kampfabzeichen in Silber, ???
- Nahkampfspange in Silber,
- Slowakische Tapferkeitsmedaille 1. Klasse,
- Anerkennungsurkunde des Oberbefehlshabers des Heeres (28.08.1944), ???
- Ehrenblatt des Deutschen Heeres (17.11.1944),
- Verwundeten Abzeichen in Gold (18.02.1945).

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Post by Jan-Hendrik » 21 Jan 2019, 17:39

Arrived at 299. ID on 16.12.44

Source

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Re: Oberst (Generalmajor?) Karl Göbel (1900-1945)

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Post by askropp » 07 Oct 2019, 21:27

The Volksbund gives Göbel's rank as Oberst and says he is buried in Esslingen. All evidence suggests he died as an Oberst, shortly before his planned promotion. The question is whether he died at home or during the transport.
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Re: Oberst (Generalmajor?) Karl Göbel (1900-1945)

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Post by Schroughphie » 28 Oct 2020, 23:49

He is buried at Ebershaldenfriedhof in Esslingen am Neckar. Unfortunately his headstone gives no rank or specific dates: Karl Göbel, Esslingen, 1900-1945. Find-a-Grave gives a date of death of 27.02.45 in Esslingen.

Might his "26.08.1939 Kompaniechef im Infanterieregiment 460" assignment have been 10./?
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Re: Oberst Karl Göbel (1900-1945)

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Post by askropp » 12 Mar 2023, 14:19

Schroughphie wrote:
28 Oct 2020, 23:49
Might his "26.08.1939 Kompaniechef im Infanterieregiment 460" assignment have been 10./?
Yes.
Dave Danner wrote:
09 Oct 2017, 03:49
There was nothing on his death in his HPA file.
Yes, there is (at least in BA-MA):

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Post by Schroughphie » 19 Mar 2023, 13:47

Thank you very much.
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Post by Requin Marteau » 14 Jun 2023, 09:31

Add Nürnberger Parteiabzeichen 1933 (septembre 1933).
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Post by graveland » 14 Jun 2023, 13:55

Thank you very much, boys.

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Post by Michael Miller » 17 Jun 2023, 03:57

Requin Marteau wrote:
14 Jun 2023, 09:31
Add Nürnberger Parteiabzeichen 1933 (septembre 1933).
May I ask your source for those incredible photos?

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Post by askropp » 17 Jun 2023, 11:01

Requin Marteau wrote:
14 Jun 2023, 09:31

Add Nürnberger Parteiabzeichen 1933
It's a ParteiTAGSabzeichen.
Michael Miller wrote:
17 Jun 2023, 03:57

May I ask your source for those incredible photos?
As nearly all the photos that have been circulating here lately, they are from the respective PA.
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Post by kstdk » 17 Jun 2023, 11:50

Hello

Karl Göbel, picture from BAMA PERS 6/299721 Generalskartei.

Also shown above, but sligthly better picture :-)

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Post by Michael Miller » 17 Jun 2023, 14:29

As nearly all the photos that have been circulating here lately, they are from the respective PA.

Thank you,Askropp.

I just downloaded that same file a few days ago and hadn't scrolled through it yet.

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