Unkown SS-Abschnitt

[WojtekK]

Were any SS-Abschnittes in SS-Oberabschnittes: Nord (Oslo), Nordwest (Den Haag), Ost (Krakau), Ostland (Riga), Ukraine (Kiev) ??

Thanks in advance

Wojtek

[Georges JEROME]

Hi,

in the generalgouvernement,
in each district was created an "arbeitsstab der Allgemeine SS"
The SSPF was the leader and members of his staff had dual duties in staff SSPF and staff arbeitstab.

JG

[WojtekK]

Thanks Georges !!

Wojtek

[Georges JEROME]

SS in NL

on 11.9.40 was created Algemeene SS in Nederland which was renamed
Germaansche SS Nederland.
chief and staff were dutch
they were organised into 5 SS Standaard .

[Georges JEROME]

the "Germanske SS Norge" was organised like Allgemeine SS but the basic unit was the "SS Storm"
only one SS Stormbann was situated in Oslo on 43.

[Martin Månsson]

The "Germanske SS Norge" had subunits over all Norway. It was created a "pure" SS-Standarte in Oslo in 1944 with Erdmann Skudlarek as commander, the last standarte formed (128th if I'm not mistaken). I wrote an article about this on Marcus Swedish forum but haven't had time to translate it as of yet.....

Best
Martin

[WojtekK]

Thanks !

Wojtek

[Phil Nix]

The "Germanske SS Norge" had subunits over all Norway. It was created a "pure" SS-Standarte in Oslo in 1944 with Erdmann Skudlarek as commander, the last standarte formed (128th if I'm not mistaken). I wrote an article about this on Marcus Swedish forum but haven't had time to translate it as of yet.....

Best
Martin

Hi Martin
Wasn't it Nr 127?
Any chance of a copy when you have translated it
Thks Philmil

[Georges JEROME]

Hi Martin,

in spite I don't speak swedish, I red your article.
the question of 127 SS standarte is interesting.

the german allgemeine SS organisation include in his organisation only
Reich german or volksdeutsche SS einheiten.

the last SS standarten der Allgemeine SS were created in the following SS Oberabschnitten :

SS Oberabschnitt Bohmen u Mahren (tchécoslovakia and Sudetenland)
SS Oberabschnitt Wartheland (for Posnanie)
SS Oberabschnit Weichsel (for Danzig Westpreussen)
SS Oberabschnitt Rhein Westmakr (for Lothringen)
SS Oberabschnitt Sudwest (for Elsass)
SS Oberabschnitt Alpenland (for South Carinthia)

125 SS standarte in Metz (Lothringen) where I live was composed of SS german members serving in civil administration or police (Schupo or Gendarmerie) and selected Lorrains from Departement de la Moselle considered as Volksdeutsche they were all members of the DVG (the NSDAP organisation for NS lorrains) and most of them where enlisted in Waffen SS.
126 SS Standarte was created in Marburg a Drau with Volksdeutsche.

was 127 SS Standarte created with german and volkdeutsche from Norway ?

best

Georges

[Martin Månsson]

Hi Martin
Wasn't it Nr 127?
Any chance of a copy when you have translated it

You're right, it was no: 127, thanks! Of course you'll get a copy when it's translated.

The thing with this SS-Standarte is interesting as it was the only occupied western country that got such a unit, why do I not know. There were no large majority of Volkdeutsche in Norway. The purpose was to get one loyal unit under German control, only.
I know that the intentions with GSSN was to get an SS-Unit that was loyal to Hitler alone but Quisling and his personal succeeded to avoid this as the control of GSSN were divided by the NS party and Germany.

Also note that there was a forerunner to GSSN named Norges SS, the structure was as follows:

Norges SS

Ledare (Commander) Jonas Lie

Kurs Norges SS Elverum (Organisationsstruktur) (SS-School Elverum)

Sjef (School Commander)
Nestkommanderende (Deputy)

Intendant

Sjef 1. Tropp

Sjef 2. Tropp

Sjef 3. Tropp

The Norges SS was to get small influence when the attack on Russia began a few months later and the vast majority of it's personel enlisted for frontservice. When the GSSN was formed the structure was as follows:

GSSN

Fører (Commander) Jonas Lie/Sverre Riisnæs*
Nestleder (Deputy) Sverre Riisnæs
*Sverre Riisnaes replaced Lie as commander for GSSN in 1945, Rediess as well as German authorities thought that Lie was too weak, this had been discussed previously but Lie remained as commander, the reason why he wasn't to be replaced at once is unknown to me. Both were in the end of the war at a farm in Skallum where they made recistance. The requested help (Men) from Quisling but he denied to send any. Lie died at Skallum, some says suicide but the cause of death is not 100% clear. Riisnaes surrendered and was to spend several years in prison.
Organisationsstruktur (Organization structure)

Staben (Staff)

Stabsleder (Staff leader)
Stabsinspektør (Staff inspector)
Adjutant

Avdeling nr. 1 - organisasjonsavdelingen (Dep. 1 Organization dep.)

Organisasjonsleder (Org. leader)

Reiseinspektør (Travel inspector)

Avdeling nr. 2 - personalavdelingen (Dep. 2 Personal)

Personalleder (Personal leader)

Avdeling nr. 3 - avdeling for rettslige spørsmål (Dep. 3 Law)

Avdelingsleder (Dep. leader)

Avdeling nr. 4a - økonomiavdelingen (Dep. 4 Economy)

Økonomileder (Economy leader)

Forvaltningsleder (Administrative leader)

Sm og kameratfond (Comrade fund and "being together" unit)
Avdeling nr. 4b - lege og sanitetsvesen (Medical dep.)

Avdeling nr. 5 -sosialavdelingen (Social dep.)

Avdeling nr. 6 - opplærings- og propagandaavdelingen (Propaganda and teaching dep.)

Opplæring (Teaching)

Propaganda (Propaganda)

Skolering (Schools)

Kultur- og radio (Culture and radio)

Avdeling nr. 7 - idrettsavdelingen (Sports unit)

SS-Skolen Kongsvinger (SS-School Kongsvinger)

Sjef (Commander)

SS-Rideskole (SS-Riding school (In Norway) )

Sjef (Commander)
SS-Stormene (SS-Sub units and location)

SS Storm Oslo

SS Storm Akershus

SS Storm Møre og Romsdal

SS Storm Nordland

SS Storm Oppland

SS Storm Østfold

SS Storm Hedemarken

SS Storm Vestfold

SS Storm Aust-Agder

SS Storm Vest-Agdern

SS Storm Rogaland

SS Storm Telemark

SS Storm Bergen og Hordaland

SS Storm Sør-Trøndelag

SS Storm Nord-Trøndelag

SS Storm Buskerud

SS Storm Sogn og Fjordane

SS Storm Troms

SS Storm Finnmark

Tyskland

Best
Martin






[/quote]