Österreichs Generale im Deutschen Heer 1938-1945

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Re: Österreichs Generale im Deutschen Heer 1938-1945

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Post by Aisingioro » 04 Nov 2015, 15:40

@Christian, I have……
Maximilian Egon II. Fürst zu Fürstenberg

27.02.1897 preuß. Rittmeister
19.09.1901 preuß. Char. Major
10.09.1908 preuß. Char. Oberstleutnant
13.09.1911 preuß. Char. Oberst

30.04.1913 k.u.k. Major d.R.
02.05.1915 k.u.k. Oberstleutnant d.R.
10.08.1916 k.u.k. Oberst d.R.
02.04.1918 k.u.k. Generalmajor a.D.

00.00.1938 SA-Standartenführer
00.00.19__ SA-Oberführer (??????)

24.12.1940 deutscher Char. Generalmajor


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Re: Österreichs Generale im Deutschen Heer 1938-1945

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Post by Requin Marteau » 04 Nov 2015, 18:19

Frech wrote:@ Thierry: could you give us a source for the list of his decorations. It would be very interesting for me.

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Sources Rangliste and Photos

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Re: Österreichs Generale im Deutschen Heer 1938-1945

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Post by askropp » 05 Nov 2015, 12:07

I posted a addition / correction to Alexander Zäpffel here.
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Re: Österreichs Generale im Deutschen Heer 1938-1945

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Post by askropp » 05 Nov 2015, 13:23

I also found info on Dr. Pindur:

31.05.1939 retired mit dem Charakter als Generalveterinär (as of 01.06.1939)
Retired Truppenoffiziere were all placed on z.V. immediately in 1939, but I found no notice of Pindur, so maybe he was only placed z.V. in August.

Source: Personalveränderungen Nr. 2500/39 PA (1) VII
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Österreichs Generale im Deutschen Heer 1938

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Post by askropp » 09 Nov 2015, 18:19

For my list of German Generals 1933-1939, I need a compilation of the ÖBH generals who were transferred into the Wehrmacht without RDA in 1938. As the first German RDAs I know of were awarded on 01.04.1938, in fact all ÖBH generals who were transferred on 15.03.1938 or were recalled from retirement a short time later should belong to that list. Generally, those officers got their Austrian date of rank as "ernannt" date until they got a German RDA, but some retired and some died without ever receiving one.

Those are the officers I know of:
(Sources: "Die Generale des Heeres" = DGdH, Dienstaltersliste der Generalstabs- und Truppenoffiziere des ehemaligen österreichischen Bundesheeres vom 01.08.1938 = DALÖ, Dienstaltersliste zur Stellenbesetzung des Heeres vom 10.11.1938 = DAL 1938)

General der Kavallerie
29.01.1934 Theodor Brantner - retired without RDA on 31.05.1938

Generalleutnante
22.12.1936 Eugen Beyer - promoted to GdI mit RDA vom 01.04.1938 (3)
22.12.1936 Johann Kubena - got RDA of 01.04.1938 (6a)
22.12.1936 Karl Leitner - got RDA of 01.06.1938 (5)
01.01.1938 Theodor Haselmayr Edler von Fernstein - retired without RDA on 31.10.1938

Generalmajore
24.10.1932 Mauritz von Wiktorin - reactivated in March 1938 and promoted to GL mit RDA vom 01.04.1938 (7)
25.03.1933 Theodor Heinzmann - Ingenieurgeneral, retired without RDA on 31.10.1938 (according to DGdH, but missing in DALÖ)
22.11.1933 Ernst Walter - got RDA of 01.10.1937 (25)
26.01.1934 Heinrich Stümpfl - got RDA of 01.08.1936 (2a)
26.01.1934 Emmerich von Nagy - reactivated in March 1938, got RDA of 01.04.1939 (12)
25.06.1935 Valentin Feurstein - got RDA of 01.04.1939 (13)
25.06.1935 Friedrich Materna - got RDA of 01.04.1938 (21a)
25.06.1935 Emil Hickmann - retired without RDA on 31.05.1938
24.12.1935 Franz Boehme - got RDA of 01.04.1938 (21b)
24.12.1935 Paul Ritter von Wittas - retired without RDA on 31.10.1938
24.12.1935 Alfred Ritter von Hubicki - got RDA of 01.10.1938 (12)
24.12.1935 Emil Kern - retired without RDA on 30.04.1938
22.06.1936 Alois Veselý - retired without RDA (probably on 31.05.1938)
22.12.1936 Adalbert von Schmidt - retired without RDA on 31.10.1938
22.12.1936 Ernst Hammer - got RDA of 01.10.1938 (11)
26.06.1937 Friedrich Moro - died without RDA on 06.01.1940
26.06.1937 Johann Hinterleitner - retired without RDA on 31.10.1938 (according to DGdH, but missing in DALÖ)
26.06.1937 Johann Janusz - retired without RDA on 30.04.1938
26.06.1937 Karl Bornemann - retired without RDA on 31.07.1938
01.01.1938 Moritz Basler - got RDA of 01.08.1941 (12), but died on 13.07.1941
01.01.1938 Marian von Wessely - retired without RDA (allegedly on 31.12.1938, but missing in DAL 1938)
01.01.1938 Johann Glasner - got RDA of 01.06.1939 (12)
01.01.1938 Anton Pohl - retired without RDA (probably on 31.10.1938)
01.01.1938 Karl Moyses - got RDA of 01.08.1936 (2b)

Generalarzt
01.01.1938 Raimund Zamponi - got RDA of 01.01.1938 (2)

We could argue that Heinzmann as a former Generalbaurat / Ingenieurgeneral was neither a Generalstabs- nor a Truppenoffizier and is thus missing from DALÖ, but the absence of Hinterleitner probably means he retired before 01.08.1938, and Wessely (who was placed on z.V.) probably before 10.11.1938. Of course Heinzmann could also have retired earlier.

Is any officer missing from this list, or are there any errors?
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Re: Österreichs Generale im Deutschen Heer 1938-1945

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Post by Stauffenberg II » 09 Nov 2015, 21:37

The list appears to be (very) fine.

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Re: Österreichs Generale im Deutschen Heer 1938-1945

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Post by askropp » 09 Nov 2015, 22:48

As I understand it, another three possible candidates could be Karl Premitzer, Franz Rainer and Gustav Wayer Edler von Stromwell. But there seems to be little info on them.
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Re: Österreichs Generale im Deutschen Heer 1938-1945

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Post by Stauffenberg II » 10 Nov 2015, 10:46

The only thing I would consider is keeping them in the order as shown in the Austrian rank lists. They did not have seniority numbers, therefore the exact listing is vital. For example: Feurstein is ahead of Materna (Friedrich), Bornemann is ahead of Ing. Moro. The 01.01.1938 order was Basler, v. Wessely, Glasner, Ing. Pohl.

To have a quick overview you can have a look on Glenn´s excellent page, which shows the correct rank order:

http://www.austro-hungarian-army.co.uk/bund38.htm

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Re: Österreichs Generale im Deutschen Heer 1938-1945

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Post by Aisingioro » 27 Nov 2015, 13:42

SCHEMFIL Viktor
* 18.05.1879 in Wien/Österreich
+ 18.08.1960 in Wien/Österreich

01.10.1899 als Einjährig-Freiwilliger zu TKJR 3
01.01.1920 Major
01.01.1921 Oberstleutnant (Titel)
01.05.1921 beim sAJB 4 eingeteilt
01.02.1926 mit der Funktion des zugeteilten Offiziers beim sAJB 4 betraut
13.07.1928 Obstlt und zuget. Offizier beim AJB 4 (1931 Kommandant)
01.01.1929 Bestellung zum Kommandanten des sAJB 4
21.07.1932 Oberst
01.06.1933 Versetzung zum Brigadekommando 6
26.09.1933 Generalmajor
30.09.1933 Versetzung in den Ruhestand
00.00.19__ Generalmajor RDA 01.03.1938(21a)

k.u.k. Österr. Militär-Jubiläumskreuz 1848 – 1908
k.u.k. Österr. Bronzene Militärverdienstmedaille am Bande des Militärverdienstkreuzes mit Schwertern
k.u.k. Österr. Silberne Militärverdienstmedaille am Bande des Militärverdienstkreuzes mit Schwertern
k.u.k. Militärverdienstkreuz III. Kl. mit Kriegsdekoration und Schwertern (zum 2. Mal nachträglich)
kaiserl. Österr. Orden der Eisernen Krone III. Kl. mit Kriegsdekoration und Schwertern
k.u.k. österr. Kaiser-Karl-Truppenkreuz
k.u.k. österr. Verwundetenmedaille mit zwei Mittelstreifen
Goldenes Verdienstzeichen der Republik Österreich
Silbernes Ehrenzeichen der Republik Österreich
EK II 1914

Quellen:
Schriften des Heeresgeschichtlichen Museums, Offizierskartei
http://forum.balsi.de/index.php?topic=7725.0

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Re: Österreichs Generale im Deutschen Heer 1938-1945

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Post by JakeV » 27 Nov 2015, 15:30

I have found an article from an Austrian magazine on Adalbert Lontschar. It is based on an interview with Lontschar's kitchenmaid Ernestine Freunek (1920–2014): http://www.bote-aus-der-buckligen-welt. ... te_165.pdf. It sheds light to some aspects that might not be very useful to a military historian, but nontheless I think i'ts quite interesting.

Also, concerning Schemfil, I think he died in Innsbruck (e. g. https://www.deutsche-digitale-bibliothe ... /120756919). His death was also mentioned in the Amtsblatt der Landeshauptstadt Innsbruck, Ausgabe September 1960 (http://www.ibkinfo.at/heftarchiv/1960-09-ausgabe-1/).

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Re: Österreichs Generale im Deutschen Heer 1938-1945

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Post by askropp » 27 Nov 2015, 19:51

According to a post quoted by Aisingioro here:

Alois Veselý
*15.08.1885 Boskowstein / Mähren
+29.07.1945 Waidhofen (probably an der Thaya)
Generalmajor mit RDA vom 01.04.1938 (21c)
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Re: Österreichs Generale im Deutschen Heer 1938-1945

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Post by Jan-Hendrik » 08 Dec 2015, 15:26

Addenum for Karl Bornemann:

On 21.7.43 appointed as Kdr. A.V.S. (Armee-Verkehrs-Stab) by PzAOK 2
By order of PzAOK2 v.28.7.43 Straßenkommandant Orel-Brjansk

Source: KTB XXXV. AK

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Re: Österreichs Generale im Deutschen Heer 1938-1945

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Post by frezque » 25 Dec 2015, 21:41

Frech wrote:Jake, thank you again. You wan´t believe my grandmother is from Losenstein too. Their neigbours were living in a little castle and were "high ranking people from Vienna", a former general. We made the match!

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Ernst Pauer von Arlau was Artilleriekommandeur des XIV. Panzer-Korps (Arko 129).
His unit was never in the Stalingrad encirclement. His unit was separated from the XIV. Panzer-Korps while this Korps was encircled by the Russians. So Pauer von Arlau never flew out of the encirclement.

Only three Arko were in the Stalingrad Kessel. 6, 144 and 153. Commanders were Lepper, Wulz and Vassoll
Also Harko 310 an 312 were outside the Kessel. Commanders were Körte/Philipp and Rüdiger

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Re: Österreichs Generale im Deutschen Heer 1938-1945

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Post by Heimatschuss » 08 Feb 2016, 14:21

Hello,

a small addition regarding Generalmajor Walter Vogel:
http://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic. ... 8#p1816868

He was born in Auspitz [Southern Moravia] [= Hustopeče, Czech Republic].
Until 1945 he had his home in the town of Znaim [Southern Moravia] [= Znojmo, Czech Republic]. This makes me think he may have been a member of the Czecho-Slovakian army 1919 - 1938, at least as a reservist. That would explain the relatively scarce material we have about him so far.

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Source: Znaimer Tagblatt of Mar. 21st, 1945; 48. Jahrgang; Folge 68, p.2
http://anno.onb.ac.at/cgi-content/anno? ... =2&zoom=33

P.S.: Above suspicion that Vogel served in the Czech army has been confirmed by Frech here http://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic. ... 4#p1995684

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Konteradmiral z.V. Dr. Paul Meixner

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Post by askropp » 09 Feb 2016, 00:24

According to KTB DtMarKdo Tunesien, the Befehlsübergabe from Meendsen-Bohlken to Meixner was already on 27.02.1943 in Rome, with Meixner arriving in Bizerta on 2 March. Interestingly, he is already referred to as Kapitän zur See in February although his RDA is given as 01.04.1943 in Hildebrand / Henriot (Deutschlands Admirale).
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