Awardholders / unit

[Bernd R]

Summary of those listed by both Scheibert and P/S and listed correctly in the thread already :

1. Panzer-Division
Enders, Rudolf, 05.11.1942, Oberleutnant d.R., 2./Pz.Gren.Rgt. 113
Fink, Karl-Heinrich [also seen: Karl-Heinz/Karlheinz] , 18.05.1945 [Soldbuch entry] , Oberleutnant, Pz.Gren.Rgt 113
Giebler, Otto, 24.12.1941, Oberfeldwebel, 2./Pz.Pi.Btl. 37
Meng, Siegfried, 24.05.1942, Unteroffizier, 2./Pz.Pi.Btl. 37
Platen von, Joachim, 18.03.1943, Leutnant, 1./Pz.Gren.Rgt. 113
Rinke, Alois, 13.05.1942, Oberfeldwebel, 4./Schtz.Rgt. 113
Wietersheim von, Wend, 24.12.1941, Oberstleutnant, Kradsch.Btl. 1

16. Panzer-Division
Jahn, Walter, 24.07.1943, Hauptmann d.R., Art.Rgt. 16

205. Infanterie-Division
Förderer, Alfons, 08.09.1944, Oberfeldwebel, Pi.Btl. 205

Panzer-Regiment 203
Seemann, Willibald, 21.12.1942, Leutnant, 1./Pz.Rgt. 203

Feuerwerker, Luftgau III, Berlin
Agtha, Egon 19.01.1945 Hauptmann (W) d.R. Führer eines Sprengkommandos im Luftgau III Berlin
[per P/S, DKiG 2007 ed. ; and evidence by a contemporary photo]

We had a detailed examination of Karl-Heinrich Fink in the context of his NKiG.
That are 11 down on the "50" list.

Bernd

[Bernd R]

Summary of those with identical names.

Haake Heinrich Major d.Res. I./Pz.AR FGD .4.1945
Ther is a Heinrich Haake in P/S II, but with very different data.

Listed with 163. Inf.Div. : Haake, Heinrich, 08.10.1943, Oberfeldwebel, 11./Gren.Rgt. 307
Haake is not a very rare name ; and looking on the other data this is not the same man (if Scheibert is not totally wrong and as long as nothing more gets known).

Kempf Karl 1.12.1944
Not in Patzwall/Scherzer with this data

Because Scheibert is refering to Heer members it is not Ofw. Karl Kempf, 01.12.1944, x/KG 6

Weimar Hptm. Pz.Art.Rgt.73 1945
Ther is a Georg Weimar, Hauptmann, 2. / Pionier-Bataillon 72, 04.02.1944 in P/S, Volume II

listed with 72. Inf.Div. is indeed Georg Weimer with the data set above.
Not the same man.

So, these three still belong to the "50" list.

Bernd

[Bernd R]

That results in a new composition of the "credibly proven" list per Scheibert like arranged by Shawn by HHQ assignment on [page 155]. Number in total of 39 .

Are we going to use the asterisk method with a short text ?

Thanks and regards
Bernd

[W.Vermeer]

That results in a new composition of the "credibly proven" list per Scheibert like arranged by Shawn by HHQ assignment on [page 155]. Number in total of 39 .

Are we going to use the asterisk method with a short text ?

Looks fine to me

[Bernd R]

RE: Sicherungs units [page 21]

I have added the HQ of the K.G. der Sicherungstruppen und Befehlshaber im Heeresgebiet Nord/Mitte/Süd and placed the Sich. units assigned below that headquarter. The recipients of Befh. Heeresgebiet are crossed out from the Kommandobehörden (HGr.) lists on [page 80] which were mixed until now.

Bernd

[Bernd R]

Crossed out on [page 105] and placed a new entry on [page 20] for

Jagdpanzer-Abteilung von Lüttichau
[unofficial designation ; ad-hoc unit composed of elements which were in Germany for refitting and preparing to get re-equipment ; Stab II./Pz.Rgt. 2 , 7./Pz.Rgt. 2 , 1./He.-Pz.Jg.Abt. 93 (Nashorn) , 1./He.-Pz.Jg.Abt. 525 (Nashorn) ; transferred to the Elsaß, command area of AOK 19 ; attached to Pz.Brig.106 at times ; additionally under command of the Abt.Stab at times : three Pz.Jg.Kpn (Jagd.Pz. 38] Bock, Lang and Pankow ; Kdr. : Hptm/Major Hannibal von Lüttichau ; main action : Brückenkopf Gambsheim / Operation "Nordwind", Gambsheim]
for further info / based on the research of Martin Block :
http://forum.panzer-archiv.de/viewtopic.php?t=4130&highlight=l%FCttichau
Rudolf Wick, KIA 17.01.1945 ; date "26.03.1945" per DKiG-Kartei/BA records :
http://forum.panzer-archiv.de/viewtopic.php?t=6406
documents of Wick once on sale on mil321, showing the attachment to 553. VDG :
http://209.85.129.132/search?q=cache:xLXd_LekNjIJ:www.militaria321.com/auktion/5480047/TOP-XX-Dokumente-mit-O.U.-FEGELEIN-XX-Kavallerie-Div.+Jagdpanzer-Abteilung+von+L%C3%BCttichau&hl=de&ct=clnk&cd=3&gl=de&ie=UTF-8

German Cross in Gold (1)
Wick, Rudolf, 26.03.1945, SS-Obersturmführer, Fhr. 1./Jagd-Pz.Abt. v. Lüttichau / attached to 553. VGD

German Cross in Silver (1)
König, Oskar, 21.02.1945, Schirrmeister, Jagd-Pz.Abt. v. Lüttichau / attached to 553. VGD

Thanks to the colleagues over on the PA for providing that material !
The pics on that mil321 link might no show up anymore ; I had seen them once - a confirmation for the fighting of Wick's 1. Kp alongside the 553. VGD.

Bernd

[Bernd R]

Wimmer, KC, is listed with 553. VGD already. I have added the GR Oberrhein data set also on [page 20].

Grenadier-Regiment 3 Oberrhein
Knight's Cross (1)
Wimmer, Alfred 16.01.1945 Oberleutnant Führer III./Gren.Rgt 3 Oberrhein / 553. VGD
Honor Roll Clasp ? , 15.02.1945 p.m.

KIA on 09.01.1945 bei Straßburg-Herrlisheim (Elsaß) per Scherzer, RKT, page 759 ; there is also listed the EBS with date 15.02.1945, posthumous ; that should be an omission as he is listed nowhere with the EBS ?

Bernd

[copiloto]

Good afternoon.
I have found next winners of the EBS in the 123.Infanterie-Division:
Wolff, Kurt, 07.01.1943, Oberleutnant, I./Gren.Rgt. 415
Wolff, Kurt, 07.12.1943, Hauptmann, I./Gren.Rgt. 415
Are they different soldiers?
Because they seem to be the same one to me, don't they?
Best regards.
Jordi

[Bernd R]

Jordi,

you pointed out an inaccuracy. It is the same man. KC holder also, awarded on 30.11.1943 posthumously. KIA on 12 Oct 1943 near Saporoshje at the Dnepr/SU.
Per the regulations the Honor Roll Clasp could be presented only once but is was possible to be named in the "Ehrenblatt" more than one time ; if I'm correct the few cases - and we have to look if there are a few more unclear listings - of a second naming were all done post mortem.
So, the entry for Wolff is to understand in the same way as listed and already corrected for Otto Sawatzki. 1st and 2nd naming in the "Ehrenblatt", first date = what we call EBS, that is naming, resp./+ Ehrenblattspange , second date EB "only", see text below.
I will correct that. Scherzer, "RKT" provides it with even more detail :
EB 2. Nennung "mit seinem Btl. Stab" 07.12.1943 p.m.
[2nd naming together with his battalion staff]

Otto Sawatzki
EBS : 27.06.1944 Feldwebel 3./Pi.Btl 21 / 21. Inf.Div
[ EB, 2. Nennung am 05.10.1944 p.m. (2nd naming in "Ehrenblatt des deutschen Heeres posthumously) ]

Bernd

[Bernd R]

RE: Lahousen, DKiG

The edited version is like that. If there is no objection or another suggestion for the *-text I will add the text to the other "credibly proven" men, too.

* Lahousen (Edler von Vivremont), Erwin, 20.07.1944, Oberst, Kdr. Jäg.Rgt. 41 (L)
[Führerreserve HGr. Nord, zugl. kommandiert zum Gren.Rgt. 96 zur Einarbeitung als Rgts.Kdr. ; Kdr. des Jg.Rgts. 41]
...
* belongs to a group of soldiers who have "credibly proven" ("glaubhaft nachgewiesen") to have been awarded the decoration. The "Nachauflage" (1992) [addendum/2nd ed.] of the book by Horst Scheibert lists 50 recipients like that. 11 of them have been listed in the new standard work by Patzwall/Scherzer (2001,2003,2007) in the meatime and therefore can be regarded as confirmed. To enable further research, open for final confirmations as well as for rejections/proof of the contrary the status of the remaining 39 soldiers should be regarded as "credibly proven" per Scheibert and therefore this group is listed here for the time being.

Bernd

[Bernd R]

RE: Otto Krüger, DKiG + DKiS

is listed like that. I think this case is different to Lahousen. I tend to the conclusion that Scheibert might be wrong here with the DKiS.

Netzsperrflottille Süd , Piräus

German Cross in Gold (1)
Krüger, Otto, 07.11.1944, Sonderführer (Kapitänleutnant), Chef Netzsperrflottile Süd

possibly / to confirm
German Cross in Silver (1)
Krüger, Otto 26.10.1944, Sonderführer (Kapitänleutnant), Netzsperrflottille
[listed in Scheibert's work on the German Cross, 1980s, but not in Patzwall/Scherzer, newest standard work, ed. 2001,2003,2007]

Bernd

[USAF1986]

The edited version is like that. If there is no objection or another suggestion for the *-text I will add the text to the other "credibly proven" men, too.

Bernd,

Excellent text for the "credibly proven" DKiG awards. Looks great!

Best regards,
Shawn

[W.Vermeer]

I can agree with that also.

[Bernd R]

OK, thanks ! We are through this so far. Asterisk and text is added to all recipients / lists.
Nearly all recipients were listed already. I had to add only the three of Führer-Gren.Div. and Kallfelz, s.Pz.Abt. 508. Analysis and experience shows that the most of those DKiG data sets have a late date with a most likely former unit. Perfectly to see for the "List" regiment which caused rolling eyes already in the past.

Inkmann, August, 06.02.1945, Unteroffizier, Inf.Rgt. 199
Rader, Alois, 05.02.1945, Hauptmann, Inf.Rgt. 199

Of notice two cases and a third which should be solved but came up here again.

* Kallfelz, Karl-Heinz, 01.05.1945, Oberleutnant, 2./Pz.Abt. 508

new / wasn't listed

* Neuer, Walther, 29.04.1945, Oberstleutnant, Pz.Rgt. 118

listed preliminary with the 18. Pz.Gren.Div. ; had Pz.Abt. 118 only, not a regiment ; he received the KC for action with a Kampfgruppe at the Ploesti oilfields, Romania (1944) ; possibly a Pz.Rgt. of former service could be meant here


The German Cross in Gold for Knoop is clear in my point of view.

225. Inf.Div.
Knoop, [first name not listed], 26.07.1945, Major, I./Gren.Rgt. 377

it is to state firstly that this challenging data set by Scheibert has a typo. Has to read 1944 (there are those cases of presentations and Soldbuch entries in POW camps after 8 May 1945 but I'm sure not in this case). 26.07.1944 is the date of his KC
Knoop, Rolf Dr.med.dent. 26.07.1944 Major Kdr I./Gren.Rgt 377 / 225. Inf.Div.
per a thread search I found our re-check and discussion we had already about his DKiG ; based on that the same man is listed correctly with his DKiG
Knoop, Rolf, 12.09.1942, Oberleutnant, 14./Inf.Rgt. 209 / 58. Inf.Div.
confirmed by Patzwall/Scherzer, DKiG ; confirmed by Scherzer, RKT (same man, RK and DKiG date).

Bernd

[Bernd R]

Two questions.

Schuttwolf, Heinz 13.04.1945 H.-Werkmeister Führer le.Kfz.Zug I./Pz.Rgt

In a 1. Pz.Div. review this DKiS recipient was rejected. But he is not listed with another Pz.Div. Is he confirmed with Pz.Rgt. 1 and do I have to add him to 1. PD ?

Knight's Cross (1)
Wimmer, Alfred 16.01.1945 Oberleutnant Führer III./Gren.Rgt 3 Oberrhein / 553. VGD
Honor Roll Clasp ? , 15.02.1945 p.m.

Is this EBS confirmed and can I add it ?

Bernd