The Flamm-Panzer-Abteilung (F) 102 in AOK 17 (HGr Süd)

[kp3opk]

Hallo, All !

( to my ineffectual post «Only StuG III (!?)…» http://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic.php?t=100134 )

The Flamm-Panzer-Abteilung (F) 102 supported 24. ID and 296. ID of 17. Armee (Heeresgruppe Süd) in June 1941.

The AOK 17 broke through Stalin's line in July 1941 (15-16.07.41) in area «Letichev – Bar».
Whether could be here The «Flamm-Panzer-Abteilung (F) 102» ?

( The «Panzerabteilung (F)102» has been disbanded 27.07.1941.
Where was «Panzerabteilung (F) 102» 01-27.07.41 ?
And: How many tanks have been transferred from Flamm-Panzer-Abteilung (F)102 to Panzer-Brigade 101 after 27.07.41 ? )

Thanx in advance, Anatoly.

[Leo Niehorster]

The Panzer-Abteilung (F) 102 was raised in France on 31.05.41. Raising was supposed to be finished by 20.06.41.

On 22.06.41, the battalion was assigned to IV. Armeekorps, 17. AOK, Hgr. Süd.

My records indicate that the battalion was dissolved on 30.07.41, and that its 24 Char B Flamm tanks were turned over to the 101. Panzer-Brigade stationed in France for further use. No idea if the battalion was dissolved on the East Front or sent back to France first.

Source:
BA-MA Stammkartei
(no achive file number known to me)
This is a file on small cardboard cards dealing with the lineage of each unit. Not a lot of info on them, but normally raising and dissolving dates are indicated, as well as home Wehrkreis and replacement unit(s).

Cheers
Leo

[kp3opk]

Thank you very much, Leo !

Ок! I have understood You.

( It are necessary to find out, what date of arrival of tanks to France ! )

PS: And who can prompt, where it is possible to see a photo of a tank emblem of the Panzer-Abteilung (F) 102 – "snake" ?

Best regards, Anatoly.

[tigre]

Hello to all ; a little complement here...................

The Pz.Abt. (F) 102 in Barbarossa.

On May 26, 1941 the topic was briefly discussed with Hitler, who saw pictures of the 85 Pz Kw II (F) already with the troops. Hitler was told about the progress in the conversion of the French captured B1 bis, now called Pz Kw B2 (F); the Führer was informed that it was planned to organize two companies of 12 vehicles each (24 in total) for Jun 20, 1941.

This initial serie was equipped with the same system of flame-thrower of the Pz Kw II (F) which used compressed nitrogen; in the tank the 75 mm gun was removed and replaced by a spray head (Flammenwerfer-Spritzkopf) like those of the Pz Kw I (F).

The Pz. Abt. (F) 102 was created of Jun 20, 1941 with K.St.N. 1176 dated on May 30, 1941. The Abteilung reached the front on Jun 23, 1941 under the 17. AOK and was assigned to the 24. ID on Jun 24, 1941.

Souces: Flammpanzer, carros lanzallamas alemanes. Osprey Military 9. T. Jentz-H. Doyle-P. Sarson.
http://nemirov41.forum24.ru/?1-4-0-00000079-000-0-0

Cheers. Raúl M .

[tigre]

Hello to all ; something more...................

The Pz. Abt. (F) 102 in Barbarossa.

In action.

On June 26, 1941 it was assigned to the 296. ID in order to support this unit in the conquest of the border fortress of "Wielki Dział". On June 29, 1941 at 13:00 hours the Commander of the division reported that "Wielki Dział" had been captured by a combined effort involving fire support of Flak of 8,8 cm, heavy weapons, Pz Kw B2 (F) and mixed groups of assault infantry-sappers. During the actions the flamethrower tanks managed to keep almost completely at bay the casemates No. 1, 2 and 4, however 7,5 cm projectiles fired by No 3 managed to set two Pz Kw B2 (F) afire and three slightly injured crew members were rescued under fire (Report II. / IR 520).

On June 30, 1941 the Pz. Abt. (F) 102 was put under the direct command of the AOK 17 and on July 27, 1941 orders were issued to dissolve this unit.

Souces: Flammpanzer, carros lanzallamas alemanes. Osprey Military 9. T. Jentz-H. Doyle-P. Sarson.
http://nemirov41.forum24.ru/?1-4-0-00000079-000-0-0

Cheers. Raúl M .

[tigre]

Hello to all ; something more...................

The Pz Kw B2 (F).

Souces: Flammpanzer, carros lanzallamas alemanes. Osprey Military 9. T. Jentz-H. Doyle-P. Sarson.

Cheers. Raúl M .

[tigre]

Hello to all ; something more...................

The Pz. Abt. (F) 102 in Barbarossa.

In action.

The Pz Kw B2 (F) No. 214 in action (presumably against the Molotov Line). In the first photo of the post Sat 08 Nov 2014 14:06 you can see the same tank being carried by rail.........................

Souces: http://ostfront.forumpro.fr/t269-flammw ... -b-2-740-f

Cheers. Raúl M .

Feliz Navidad - Feliz Natal - Frohe Weihnachten - Joyeux Noël - Merry Christmas - Wesołych Świąt!.

[tigre]

Hello to all ; something more...................

The Pz.Abt. (F) 102 in Barbarossa.

In action.

Pz Kw B2 (F) destroyed in the fights against the fortress of "Wielki Dział".........................

Souces: http://relicfinder.info/forum/viewtopic ... &start=260

Cheers. Raúl M .

Feliz Navidad - Feliz Natal - Frohe Weihnachten - Joyeux Noël - Merry Christmas - Wesołych Świąt!.

[tigre]

Hello to all ; something more...................

The Pz.Abt. (F) 102 in Barbarossa.

In action.

At the time of it creation, each company had available besides the B2 turned into flamethrowers, three with standard configuration, ie still had the 75 mm gun in the hull. Here is one of them Pz Kw B2 # 203 in Lwow ................

Souces: http://nemirov41.forum24.ru/?1-18-0-000 ... 00-10001-0

Cheers. Raúl M .

[tigre]

Hello to all ; something more...................

The Pz.Abt. (F) 102 in Barbarossa.

In action.

Souces: http://nemirov41.forum24.ru/?1-18-0-000 ... 00-10001-0

Cheers. Raúl M .

[tigre]

Hello to all ; something more...................

The Pz.Abt. (F) 102 in Barbarossa.

In action.

AFAIK there were two types of flame-thrower in the Pz Kw B2 (F) that equipped the PzAbt. (F) 102 and both of them used compressed nitrogen. In the first, like the original 75mm hull tank gun - it could be moved only vertically, and aiming to the side had to be done by turning the vehicle. In the second a small platform was mounted in place of the 7,5 cm hull gun, with a rotating little turret attached on it. The rotating turret was the same type as that used on the SdKfz 122 Panzerkampfwagen II Flamm "Flamingo" (see pictures below).

Souces: http://nemirov41.forum24.ru/?1-18-0-000 ... 00-10001-0
Flammpanzer, carros lanzallamas alemanes. Osprey Military 9. T. Jentz-H. Doyle-P. Sarson.

Does anyone know how many tanks of each type had the unit? TIA. Cheers. Raúl M .

[tigre]

Hello to all ; something more....................

Pz Kw B2 (F) in action.

Sources: http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-KSkthJVmiiA/V ... rfrvde.jpg.
http://nemirov41.forum24.ru/?1-18-0-00000002-000-40-0

Cheers. Raúl M 8).

[tigre]

Hello to all ; something more....................

Pz Kw B2 (F) in action.

Moving by road to the front......................................

Sources: http://nemirov41.forum24.ru/?1-18-0-000 ... 00-10001-0

Cheers. Raúl M .

[mika1606]

Hi Raul,

Are you sure that this is Panzer-Abteilung (F) 102 in Russia?

Let's have a look here: http://www.lexikon-der-wehrmacht.de/Gli ... t102-R.htm

BR, Gerhard

[GregSingh]

Are you sure that this is Panzer-Abteilung (F) 102 in Russia?

From the earlier post:

The Panzer-Abteilung (F) 102 was raised in France on 31.05.41. Raising was supposed to be finished by 20.06.41. On 22.06.41, the battalion was assigned to IV. Armeekorps, 17. AOK, Hgr. Süd. My records indicate that the battalion was dissolved on 30.07.41, and that its 24 Char B Flamm tanks were turned over to the 101. Panzer-Brigade stationed in France for further use.

So it was fighting in Russia for over a month.