Unit emblems identification help

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Re: Unit emblems identification help

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Post by Marcus » 06 Dec 2012, 19:20

AlifRafikKhan wrote:
Marcus Wendel wrote:I got answer through email: I. Abteilung/Fallschirm-Panzer-Rgt. "Hermann Göring", a tank belonging to Dr. Karl Rossman.
Hi Marcus, do you know the turret number of this Panther. I only know the production series #121081
No, sorry.

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Re: Unit emblems identification help

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Post by Alanmccoubrey » 06 Dec 2012, 19:58

Isn't that particular Panther a Befhelspanther ? If you look at the full photograph there is a rod antenna on the turret roof.
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Post by Alanmccoubrey » 08 Dec 2012, 11:17

The knight insignia is similar to , but isn't, that of s.Pz.Abt. 505. Any ideas ? The pics are from ebay.

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Re: Unit emblems identification help

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Post by punkyto » 09 Dec 2012, 17:57

Hola!!
9 Panzerdivision Panzer-Regiment 33
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Re: Unit emblems identification help

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Post by reinaart » 09 Dec 2012, 23:01

Alanmccoubrey wrote:The knight insignia is similar to , but isn't, that of s.Pz.Abt. 505. Any ideas ? The pics are from ebay.

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Alan, the signs you show are not the same. The first certainly belongs to the 9.pd (knight brandishing a sword) but the one shown on PZ.IV "301" (knight with a lance) belongs to Panzer Abteilung 21. We had a discussion about this particular tank some time ago and I'm convinced this was the unit commanded by Hauptmann Wolfgang Darius (I've got at least 6 pics of "301") :

http://www.lexikon-der-wehrmacht.de/Gli ... bt21-R.htm

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Re: Unit emblems identification help

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Post by Alanmccoubrey » 11 Dec 2012, 11:00

Thank you both.

Arjan, where did you have this discussion, is there a link to it ?
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Re: Unit emblems identification help

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Post by reinaart » 11 Dec 2012, 14:23

Hi Alan, it was in this very section :
http://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic. ... 0#p1641652

Another pic that was recently on ebay:

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The pics I posted previously:

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Darius:

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Re: Unit emblems identification help

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Post by Alanmccoubrey » 11 Dec 2012, 15:10

Thanks Arjan, I remember it now but is it Pz Abt 20 or 21 ?
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Re: Unit emblems identification help

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Post by reinaart » 11 Dec 2012, 20:58

Hi Alan, as far as I know there was no Panzer-Abteilung 20. Panzer Regiment 21 was part of the 20.PD and it was never subordinated to 21.Panzer Division as is stated in the Lexikon der Wehrmacht link I provided in the above ("Die Abteilung wurde der 21.Panzer Division unterstellt"). I assume this is simply a typo and should be : "Die Abteilung wurde der 20.Panzer Division unterstellt". I hope the following clarifies matters a bit (in 1943 the Regimentsstab was renamed in Panzer-Brigade 21 and some other subunits were renamed in Panzer-Abteilung 21):

Panzer-Regiment 21

Feldpostnummern ab 1940/41: Die Einheiten wurden als Teile vom Panzer-Regiment 21 in der Feldpostübersicht eingetragen. 1941 wurden die Kolonnen zur 13. bis 15. große Kraftwagen-Kolonne der Panzer-Divisions-Kolonne 92 umbenannt. Ebenfalls 1941 wurde der Werkstatt-Zug II gestrichen und der Werkstatt-Zug III in Waffenmeister-Kompanie 92 umbenannt. 1941/42 wurden alle drei Staffeln gestrichen. Der Werkstatt-Zug I wurde 1942/43 in Panzer-Werkstatt Kompanie umbenannt. 1942/43 wurden auch viele Einheiten gestrichen. Der Regimentsstab wurde 1943 in Panzer-Brigade 21 umbenannt. Der Stab III, die Stabskompanie III, die 1., 2., 9., 12. Kompanie und die Panzer-Werkstatt-Kompanie wurden zur Panzer-Abteilung 21 umbenannt. Erst am 1. April 1944 wurde die 10. Kompanie gestrichen. Am 17. Januar 1945 wurde zuerst die II. Abteilung vom Regiment durch Umbenennung der Panzer-Abteilung (Panther) 2101 eingetragen. Der Regimentsstab wurde am 24. Januar 1945 durch Umbenennung der Panzer-Brigade 101 wieder eingetragen. Am gleichen Tag wurden auch durch Umbenennung vom Stab und der Werkstatt-Kompanie der Panzer-Abteilung 21 die I. Abteilung und die Werkstatt-Kompanie wieder eingetragen.


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http://www.lexikon-der-wehrmacht.de/Gli ... n/20PD.htm

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Re: Unit emblems identification help

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Post by Alanmccoubrey » 11 Dec 2012, 21:24

Arjan, I assumed as much, my problem was that I didn't read your text under the pic on the original discussion ! :roll:
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Re: Unit emblems identification help

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Post by Alanmccoubrey » 21 Dec 2012, 19:28

Can anyone identify the divisional sign on this odd SdKfz 252 ?

The pic is from an ebay auction.
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Re: Unit emblems identification help

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Post by Alanmccoubrey » 21 Dec 2012, 19:38

I may have answered my own question, thanks to Christoph's wonderful site of course.

I think that it may be 268 Infanterie Divison, but just how they would get hold of an SdKfz 252 in 1942(judging by the tactical sign) is another matter.

http://www.lexikon-der-wehrmacht.de/Gli ... /268ID.htm
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Re: Unit emblems identification help

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Post by reinaart » 13 Jan 2013, 12:57

Does the "T" stand for Transport ? At least, this is apparently the tactical sign for a "Zug einer Kraftfahrkompanie" (I think it has the divisional sign of 26.PD):

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This RSO has the sign of 225.ID (marching soldier):

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The pics are currently on ebay.

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Re: Unit emblems identification help

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Post by reinaart » 22 Jan 2013, 11:02

I wonder if there could be a connection with the letters "T" in these signs (what does this letter signify here?). I don't think it refers to a fuelling point because this was usually indicated by a sign reading "Tankstelle". The first pic is from an expired ebay auction, the second and third were taken from the thread on German road signs.

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Re: Unit emblems identification help

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Post by reinaart » 31 Jan 2013, 18:45

Currently on ebay a pic of a column of Kriegsmarine trucks which once more show the mysterious letter T:

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