Divisionskommando z.b.V. 425 in occupied Poland, 1939-40
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Re: Divisionskommando zbV 425 in occupied Poland, 1939-40
Uwe,
Many thanks. Any idea of the date of the 1939 KStN?
Interesting, that this 1939 (unknown to Tessin) KStN 4005 had riding horses, but — notwithstanding this addendum — the March 1940 one did not.
Cheers
Leo
Many thanks. Any idea of the date of the 1939 KStN?
Interesting, that this 1939 (unknown to Tessin) KStN 4005 had riding horses, but — notwithstanding this addendum — the March 1940 one did not.
Cheers
Leo
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Re: Divisionskommando zbV 425 in occupied Poland, 1939-40
@ Leo:
@ CNE503
i think this howitzers are le.F.H. 14/19 (p)
Uwe
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i think this howitzers are le.F.H. 14/19 (p)
Uwe
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Re: Divisionskommando zbV 425 in occupied Poland, 1939-40
Thanks, Uwe, I do have that one. [BA-MA 11 / 2301–4751, Nr. 002.] (See my previous post).
But I am still looking for the 1939 one, because if there is an "Anmerkung" dated 31 October 1939 authorizing these 5 horses and 2 grooms, then there must have been a KStN from 1939 (or earlier ?). That is the one I was looking for.
I am still looking for a scanner than can copy microfiche. Do you have one, and if so, which is it?
Cheers
Leo
But I am still looking for the 1939 one, because if there is an "Anmerkung" dated 31 October 1939 authorizing these 5 horses and 2 grooms, then there must have been a KStN from 1939 (or earlier ?). That is the one I was looking for.
I am still looking for a scanner than can copy microfiche. Do you have one, and if so, which is it?
Cheers
Leo
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Re: Divisionskommando zbV 425 in occupied Poland, 1939-40
Hello Leo, i didnt know scanner what can read microfiches, at the time i had fiches i was using a scanner at Barch Berlin for read and print.
the order to create Stab 425. Division for Oberost (and there for Grenzabschnitt Mitte) was given at Oct' 6th 1939 (together with Stab for 423. and 424. Division) for Oct' 25 1939
temporary personal strenght: 1 Kommandeur and 2 Officers and "Unterpersonal" (without concrete number)
no K.St.N. listed....
Uwe
the order to create Stab 425. Division for Oberost (and there for Grenzabschnitt Mitte) was given at Oct' 6th 1939 (together with Stab for 423. and 424. Division) for Oct' 25 1939
temporary personal strenght: 1 Kommandeur and 2 Officers and "Unterpersonal" (without concrete number)
no K.St.N. listed....
Uwe
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Re: Divisionskommando zbV 425 in occupied Poland, 1939-40
OK. Thanks, Uwe.
There are possibilities to scan microfiche an mircrofilm here, of course, producing both hard and/or digital copies, but @ 0.50€/copy ...
There are possibilities to scan microfiche an mircrofilm here, of course, producing both hard and/or digital copies, but @ 0.50€/copy ...
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Re: Divisionskommando zbV 425 in occupied Poland, 1939-40
Hello
a lttle bit off topic but maybe in your interest
T77 R1144
Uwe
a lttle bit off topic but maybe in your interest
T77 R1144
Uwe
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Re: Divisionskommando zbV 425 in occupied Poland, 1939-40
Great find Uwe. Very interesting.Thanks
Leo
Leo
Re: Divisionskommando zbV 425 in occupied Poland, 1939-40
Hello Mister Niehorster,
perhaps this scanner can be interesting:
http://www.canon.de/scanners/flatbed-sc ... 0f_markii/
can be used with diappositive and photo-negatives
greetings
massimo
perhaps this scanner can be interesting:
http://www.canon.de/scanners/flatbed-sc ... 0f_markii/
can be used with diappositive and photo-negatives
greetings
massimo
Pax sine libertate servitus vocatur
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Re: Divisionskommando zbV 425 in occupied Poland, 1939-40
Hi Massimo,
Thank you. Will check it out.
Cheers
Leo
Thank you. Will check it out.
Cheers
Leo
Re: Divisionskommando zbV 425 in occupied Poland, 1939-40
Really great material, Uwe, thank you very much to share it with us!
May I ask to confirm whether my understanding is right? Sorry for my poor German...
This is an "Order for the new organization in the Oberost area of responsibility" emitted on May 4th, 1940.
It cancelled the future transfer outside of Oberost AOR of both the 209. and 372. Divisionen which should have begun on May 31st, 1940.
209. Infanterie Division received order to reorganize according to theoretical tables for July 15th, 1940. Its artillery regiment won't create a third artillery group.
372. Infanterie Division received order to reorganize itself as a 9. Welle division.
On June 4th, 1940, two new ersatztruppen units will be raised : Kommandeur der Ersatztruppen 300 and 400 (with two ersatz infantry regiments each).
The chain of command will be the following one:
- under Höheres Kommando zbV XXXIV command: 365. Division (HQ in Landcut) and 372. Division (HQ in Radom); Kommandeur der Ersatztruppen 400 (HQ in Tarnow) when ready; Stadt-Kommandantur "Krakow" and Kommandanturen die Truppenübungsplätze "Süd" and "Mitte";
- under Höheres Kommando zbV XXXV command: 209. Division (HQ in Zamosc), 379. Division (HQ in Lublin) and 393. Division (HQ in Lochow); Kommandeure der Ersatztruppen 100 (HQ in Pulawy), 200 (HQ in Jablonna) and 300 (HQ in Nieborow when ready); Kommandantur "Warsaw".
I'm in trouble to translate the following part of the order, so I don't try it there. Does someone correct my mistakes or tell me if I'm right?
Thank you,
Cheers,
CNE503
May I ask to confirm whether my understanding is right? Sorry for my poor German...
This is an "Order for the new organization in the Oberost area of responsibility" emitted on May 4th, 1940.
It cancelled the future transfer outside of Oberost AOR of both the 209. and 372. Divisionen which should have begun on May 31st, 1940.
209. Infanterie Division received order to reorganize according to theoretical tables for July 15th, 1940. Its artillery regiment won't create a third artillery group.
372. Infanterie Division received order to reorganize itself as a 9. Welle division.
On June 4th, 1940, two new ersatztruppen units will be raised : Kommandeur der Ersatztruppen 300 and 400 (with two ersatz infantry regiments each).
The chain of command will be the following one:
- under Höheres Kommando zbV XXXIV command: 365. Division (HQ in Landcut) and 372. Division (HQ in Radom); Kommandeur der Ersatztruppen 400 (HQ in Tarnow) when ready; Stadt-Kommandantur "Krakow" and Kommandanturen die Truppenübungsplätze "Süd" and "Mitte";
- under Höheres Kommando zbV XXXV command: 209. Division (HQ in Zamosc), 379. Division (HQ in Lublin) and 393. Division (HQ in Lochow); Kommandeure der Ersatztruppen 100 (HQ in Pulawy), 200 (HQ in Jablonna) and 300 (HQ in Nieborow when ready); Kommandantur "Warsaw".
I'm in trouble to translate the following part of the order, so I don't try it there. Does someone correct my mistakes or tell me if I'm right?
Thank you,
Cheers,
CNE503
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Re: Divisionskommando zbV 425 in occupied Poland, 1939-40
Hello,
Digging this thread to ask something concerning Kommandeur der Ersatztruppen 2 (or 200).
If Kommandeur der Ersatztruppen 1 (or 100) was raised around a divisional command (Divisionskommando zbV 425), was it the case of the Kommandeur der Ersatztruppen 2 (or 200)? And if the answer is yes, what was the divisional command for special purpose used for this: Divisionskommando zbV 423?
I only know that the commander of this replacement command was Generalleutnant zV Christian Friedrich "Fritz" Willich as of May 22nd, 1940.
Thank you for your help.
I wish you a happy new year!
CNE503
Digging this thread to ask something concerning Kommandeur der Ersatztruppen 2 (or 200).
If Kommandeur der Ersatztruppen 1 (or 100) was raised around a divisional command (Divisionskommando zbV 425), was it the case of the Kommandeur der Ersatztruppen 2 (or 200)? And if the answer is yes, what was the divisional command for special purpose used for this: Divisionskommando zbV 423?
I only know that the commander of this replacement command was Generalleutnant zV Christian Friedrich "Fritz" Willich as of May 22nd, 1940.
Thank you for your help.
I wish you a happy new year!
CNE503
"Sicut Aquila" / "Ils s'instruisent pour vaincre" / "par l'exemple, le coeur et la raison" / "Labor Omnia Vincit"
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Re: Divisionskommando z.b.V. 425 in occupied Poland, 1939-40
Hello Uwe, I wish you a happy new year.
It does help, but in the same time it also blurs some things that ought to be clear to me!
If I understand correctly this document, Divisionskommando zbV 425 wasn't used to raise Kommandeur der Ersatztruppen 1/100 somewhen in Spring 1940, but instead to give birth to 365. Infanterie Division in February 1940, am I right?
So, do you have any clue about what headquarters were used to raised these replacement troops commands in occupied Poland in early 1940?
Thanks!
CNE503
It does help, but in the same time it also blurs some things that ought to be clear to me!
If I understand correctly this document, Divisionskommando zbV 425 wasn't used to raise Kommandeur der Ersatztruppen 1/100 somewhen in Spring 1940, but instead to give birth to 365. Infanterie Division in February 1940, am I right?
So, do you have any clue about what headquarters were used to raised these replacement troops commands in occupied Poland in early 1940?
Thanks!
CNE503
"Sicut Aquila" / "Ils s'instruisent pour vaincre" / "par l'exemple, le coeur et la raison" / "Labor Omnia Vincit"
Re: Divisionskommando z.b.V. 425 in occupied Poland, 1939-40
According to the document posted by Jan-Hendrik in this thread
https://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=65625
the Div. Stab zbV 425 was established with effect 25 october 1939 follwing an order of the OKH dated 6 october 1939.
Regards from Madrid
Ignacio
https://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=65625
the Div. Stab zbV 425 was established with effect 25 october 1939 follwing an order of the OKH dated 6 october 1939.
Regards from Madrid
Ignacio