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'Gefreite' and 'Obergefreite' are considered Privates not junior NCOs.I meant, would 1 of the 2 men be at most a junior NCO; eg Gefreiter or Obergefreiter, or at least a Senior Private?
The 'Panzerschreck'-missiles were exclusively rocket propelled, so there was a hot exhaust jet when the missile left the tube.I dunno how you call it but the metal plate on the panzershreck seems restrictive, what was its use?
Unlike for example the 'Panzerfaust' or the modern RPGs were the missiles were/are fired with the 'recoilless gun'-mechanisim (and may or may not have a rocket booster which ignites in a save distance of the gunner).
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Hi John,
yes, AFAIK the M1A1 and M9 Bazookas were also rocket propelled.
The first 'Panzerschreck' the 'Raketenpanzerbüchse 43' was based on the M1A1 Bazooka and lacked a shield too. The team was expected to protect itself with fireproof ponchos and gas mask without filters.
This was very unpopular and the next version, the 'Raketenpanzerbüchse 54' sported the shield.
'Raketenpanzerbüchse 43' on top and 'Raketenpanzerbüchse 54'
I don't have a clue what safty measures/devices the M1A1/M9 Bazooka teams(?)/gunners adopted.
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Mark
yes, AFAIK the M1A1 and M9 Bazookas were also rocket propelled.
The first 'Panzerschreck' the 'Raketenpanzerbüchse 43' was based on the M1A1 Bazooka and lacked a shield too. The team was expected to protect itself with fireproof ponchos and gas mask without filters.
This was very unpopular and the next version, the 'Raketenpanzerbüchse 54' sported the shield.
'Raketenpanzerbüchse 43' on top and 'Raketenpanzerbüchse 54'
I don't have a clue what safty measures/devices the M1A1/M9 Bazooka teams(?)/gunners adopted.
Regards
Mark
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Very detailed site on the history and development of the wpns in question. http://www.geocities.com/Augusta/8172/panzerfaust3.htm
Of particular interest is the section dealing with how the Panzerfaust was operated (and the photos, as always )
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Of particular interest is the section dealing with how the Panzerfaust was operated (and the photos, as always )
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The propellant in Bazooka rounds burnt completely before the rocket left the tube,except in low temperatures, that´s why early models had a mesh shield.Later models didn´t have that problem so the shield was discarded.
RPzB43,54 and 54/1 had a worse design of the rocket so part of the propellant burnt after leaving the tube...
RPzB43,54 and 54/1 had a worse design of the rocket so part of the propellant burnt after leaving the tube...
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I thought Gefreite and Obergefeeite corresponded to lance-corporal and senior lance-corporal respectively?nondescript handle wrote:'Gefreite' and 'Obergefreite' are considered Privates not junior NCOs.I meant, would 1 of the 2 men be at most a junior NCO; eg Gefreiter or Obergefreiter, or at least a Senior Private?
The 'Panzerschreck'-missiles were exclusively rocket propelled, so there was a hot exhaust jet when the missile left the tube.I dunno how you call it but the metal plate on the panzershreck seems restrictive, what was its use?
Unlike for example the 'Panzerfaust' or the modern RPGs were the missiles were/are fired with the 'recoilless gun'-mechanisim (and may or may not have a rocket booster which ignites in a save distance of the gunner).
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Mark
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The Wehrmacht enlisted men were formally divided in three groups:
Mannschaften / men: Schütze, Oberschütze, Gefreiter, Obergefreiter
Unteroffiziere ohne Portepee / junior NCOs: Unteroffizier, Unterfeldwebel
Unteroffiziere mit Portepee / senjor NCOs: Feldwebel, Oberfeldwebel, Stabsfeldwebel
So by the terminology of the Wehrmacht Gefreite and Obergefreite wouldn't be called NCOs.
But since the whole rank structure of the enlisted personel in Germanic armys is quite different from that in the Anglo-Saxon ones, all rank comparisons must be taken with a grain of salt.
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Mark
Mannschaften / men: Schütze, Oberschütze, Gefreiter, Obergefreiter
Unteroffiziere ohne Portepee / junior NCOs: Unteroffizier, Unterfeldwebel
Unteroffiziere mit Portepee / senjor NCOs: Feldwebel, Oberfeldwebel, Stabsfeldwebel
So by the terminology of the Wehrmacht Gefreite and Obergefreite wouldn't be called NCOs.
But since the whole rank structure of the enlisted personel in Germanic armys is quite different from that in the Anglo-Saxon ones, all rank comparisons must be taken with a grain of salt.
Regards
Mark
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The 'Panzerfaust' is a simple, disposable one-shot anti-tank weapon produced in mass numbers and used by the individual infantryman. (later versions features a reusable launch 'tube')
The 'Panzerschreck' is as the picture is this thread shows essentially a German copy of the American bazooka, i.e. re-loadable and usually crew-served.
Otherwise the 'Panzerfaust' page (http://www.geocities.com/Augusta/8172/panzerfaust.htm) deals with both weapons in detail - it looks like it's down at the moment however.
~ Christian
The 'Panzerschreck' is as the picture is this thread shows essentially a German copy of the American bazooka, i.e. re-loadable and usually crew-served.
Otherwise the 'Panzerfaust' page (http://www.geocities.com/Augusta/8172/panzerfaust.htm) deals with both weapons in detail - it looks like it's down at the moment however.
~ Christian
though similiar in scope the round of the Panzerschreck is much larger.....aka 8.8cm. I believe the range is a bit greater over the Bazooka. but one also must consider the weight and length disadvantages of the Panzerschreck unless one was so able to have the shortened version at their disposal.
~Erich
~Erich