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Post by Christoph Awender » 29 Nov 2003, 04:15

If at all a NCO was the commander of the "Panzerzerstörertrupp" of a company but not the "commander" of the rifle itself.

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Post by Jeremy Chan » 29 Nov 2003, 09:34

I meant, would 1 of the 2 men be at most a junior NCO; eg Gefreiter or Obergefreiter, or at least a Senior Private? Were those backpack-carrying shelves for the panzerschreck rockets common?


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Post by K.Kocjancic » 30 Nov 2003, 11:13

Are there any photos of Panzernäcker (men decorated with "Das Sonderabzeichen für das Niederkämpfen von Panzer-kampfwagen durch Einzelkämpfer"), armed with Panzerschreck?

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Post by KG_Cloghaun » 05 Dec 2003, 01:38

Is that 4 rockets per team member, or 4 rockets total?

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Post by nondescript handle » 05 Dec 2003, 12:01

I meant, would 1 of the 2 men be at most a junior NCO; eg Gefreiter or Obergefreiter, or at least a Senior Private?
'Gefreite' and 'Obergefreite' are considered Privates not junior NCOs.
I dunno how you call it but the metal plate on the panzershreck seems restrictive, what was its use?
The 'Panzerschreck'-missiles were exclusively rocket propelled, so there was a hot exhaust jet when the missile left the tube.
Unlike for example the 'Panzerfaust' or the modern RPGs were the missiles were/are fired with the 'recoilless gun'-mechanisim (and may or may not have a rocket booster which ignites in a save distance of the gunner).

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Post by John W » 05 Dec 2003, 12:30

Hello Mark

Was the American Bazooka any significantly different in propellant technology? Because they did not incorporate heat shields.

If they were different how and why? (as in advantages, disadvantages).

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Post by nondescript handle » 05 Dec 2003, 15:15

Hi John,
yes, AFAIK the M1A1 and M9 Bazookas were also rocket propelled.

The first 'Panzerschreck' the 'Raketenpanzerbüchse 43' was based on the M1A1 Bazooka and lacked a shield too. The team was expected to protect itself with fireproof ponchos and gas mask without filters.
This was very unpopular and the next version, the 'Raketenpanzerbüchse 54' sported the shield.

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'Raketenpanzerbüchse 43' on top and 'Raketenpanzerbüchse 54'

I don't have a clue what safty measures/devices the M1A1/M9 Bazooka teams(?)/gunners adopted.

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Post by Unteroffizier_Tyler » 18 Dec 2003, 14:18

Was the American Bazooka any significantly different in propellant technology? Because they did not incorporate heat shields.

The American Bazooka did have heat shields but the americans found that they were too cumbersome and just took it off and threw them away.

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Post by e.kerckhoff » 18 Dec 2003, 16:26

Very detailed site on the history and development of the wpns in question. http://www.geocities.com/Augusta/8172/panzerfaust3.htm

Of particular interest is the section dealing with how the Panzerfaust was operated (and the photos, as always :wink: )

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Post by Javichu » 18 Dec 2003, 23:10

The propellant in Bazooka rounds burnt completely before the rocket left the tube,except in low temperatures, that´s why early models had a mesh shield.Later models didn´t have that problem so the shield was discarded.
RPzB43,54 and 54/1 had a worse design of the rocket so part of the propellant burnt after leaving the tube...

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Post by Jeremy Chan » 10 Jan 2004, 07:32

nondescript handle wrote:
I meant, would 1 of the 2 men be at most a junior NCO; eg Gefreiter or Obergefreiter, or at least a Senior Private?
'Gefreite' and 'Obergefreite' are considered Privates not junior NCOs.
I dunno how you call it but the metal plate on the panzershreck seems restrictive, what was its use?
The 'Panzerschreck'-missiles were exclusively rocket propelled, so there was a hot exhaust jet when the missile left the tube.
Unlike for example the 'Panzerfaust' or the modern RPGs were the missiles were/are fired with the 'recoilless gun'-mechanisim (and may or may not have a rocket booster which ignites in a save distance of the gunner).

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I thought Gefreite and Obergefeeite corresponded to lance-corporal and senior lance-corporal respectively?

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Post by nondescript handle » 10 Jan 2004, 09:25

The Wehrmacht enlisted men were formally divided in three groups:
Mannschaften / men: Schütze, Oberschütze, Gefreiter, Obergefreiter
Unteroffiziere ohne Portepee / junior NCOs: Unteroffizier, Unterfeldwebel
Unteroffiziere mit Portepee / senjor NCOs: Feldwebel, Oberfeldwebel, Stabsfeldwebel

So by the terminology of the Wehrmacht Gefreite and Obergefreite wouldn't be called NCOs.

But since the whole rank structure of the enlisted personel in Germanic armys is quite different from that in the Anglo-Saxon ones, all rank comparisons must be taken with a grain of salt.

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Post by hauptmannn » 10 Jan 2004, 12:15

What is the difference between the Panzerfaust and the Panzerschreck?

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Post by Christian Godske » 12 Jan 2004, 14:17

The 'Panzerfaust' is a simple, disposable one-shot anti-tank weapon produced in mass numbers and used by the individual infantryman. (later versions features a reusable launch 'tube')

The 'Panzerschreck' is as the picture is this thread shows essentially a German copy of the American bazooka, i.e. re-loadable and usually crew-served.

Otherwise the 'Panzerfaust' page (http://www.geocities.com/Augusta/8172/panzerfaust.htm) deals with both weapons in detail - it looks like it's down at the moment however.

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Post by Erich » 12 Jan 2004, 21:43

though similiar in scope the round of the Panzerschreck is much larger.....aka 8.8cm. I believe the range is a bit greater over the Bazooka. but one also must consider the weight and length disadvantages of the Panzerschreck unless one was so able to have the shortened version at their disposal.

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