Let's build 12. SS-PzDiv.?

[Falk1]

His name was Siegfried Gröschel.

[Moniroth You-Bell]

In this list all the awardings of the Kriegsverdienstkreuz 1. u. 2. Klasse in the SS-Panzer-Regiment 12 will be listed here
with Rank / Name / Date of Birth / Unit

Das Kriegsverdienstkreuz 1. Klasse mit Schwertern [m.w.v. 21.4.1944]

SS-Hauptscharführer Rink, Erwin / 25.10.1918 / Rgts.-Stab
SS-Hauptscharführer Schmidt, Rudolf / 25.02.1909 / Rgts.-Stab

Das Kriegsverdienstkreuz 2. Klasse mit Schwertern [m.w.v. 21.4.1944]

SS-Obersturmführer Surkow, Hugo / 11.9.1893 / I./ SS-Panzer-Regiment 12
SS-Obersturmführer Bando, Helmut / 7.3.1915 / II./ SS-Panzer-Regiment 12
SS-Untersturmführer Müller, Claus / 15.2.1910 / I./ SS-Panzer-Regiment 12
SS-Untersturmführer Maier, Robert / 9.8.1913 / I./ SS-Panzer-Regiment 12
SS-Untersturmführer Komadina, Hermann / 28.6.1918 / II./ SS-Panzer-Regiment 12
SS-Untersturmführer Zick, Hartfried / 30.10.1922 / II./ SS-Panzer-Regiment 12
SS-Untersturmführer Freitag, Friedrich / 18.12.1921 / II./ SS-Panzer-Regiment 12
SS-Untersturmführer Porsch, Karl-Heinz / 16.4.1921 / II./ SS-Panzer-Regiment 12
SS-Hauptscharführer Peduzzi, Otto / 20.9.1913 / Rgts.-Stab
SS-Sturmmann Klein, Erwin / 22.4.1909 / Rgts.-Stab
SS-Hauptscharführer Schönberg, Fritz / 1.8.1917 / Rgts.-StabKp.
SS-Oberscharführer Hünecke, Herbert / 5.4.1918 / Rgts.-StabKp.
SS-Oberscharführer Janssen, Hermann / 1.11.1914 / Rgts.-StabKp.
SS-Unterscharführer Bücher, Wilhelm / 19.10.1914 / Rgts.-StabKp.
SS-Unterscharführer Abels, Mathias / 30.5.1924 / Rgts.-StabKp.
SS-Unterscharführer Jobs, Pieter / 4.7.1907 / Rgts.-StabKp.
SS-Unterscharführer Ockenga, Johann / 27.4.1923 / Rgts.-StabKp.
SS-Unterscharführer Hinle, Otto / 17.5.1906 / Rgts.-StabKp.
SS-Rottenführer Cammin, Werner / 1.6.1923 / Rgts.-StabsKp.
SS-Sturmmann Graf, Willi / 9.3.1908 / Rgts.-StabsKp.
SS-Sturmmann Hug, Alfred / 16.12.1909 / Rgts.-StabsKp.
SS-Sturmmann Biegelsack, Werner / 21.6.1908 / Rgts.-StabsKp.
SS-Sturmmann Heppekhausen, Josef / 19.5.1908 / Rgts.-StabsKp.
SS-Sturmmann Falk, Julius / 6.10.1908 / Rgts.-StabsKp.
SS-Oberscharführer Schmits, Peter / 16.11.1913 / I./ Panzer-Regiment 12
SS-Oberscharführer Kolb, Wilhelm / 20.1.1920 / I./ Panzer-Regiment 12
SS-Oberscharführer Müllauer, Franz / 5.1.1921 / I./ Panzer-Regiment 12
SS-Unterscharführer Oetjen, Theodor / 18.3.1918 / I./ Panzer-Regiment 12
SS-Unterscharführer Engels, Rudolf / 6.6.1909 / I./ Panzer-Regiment 12
SS-Rottenführer Hotz, Willi / 22.7.1920 / I./ Panzer-Regiment 12
SS-Sturmmann Stobbe, Arthur / 25.3.1911 / I./ Panzer-Regiment 12
SS-Sturmmann Kölbl, Georg / 4.5.1925 / I./ Panzer-Regiment 12
SS-Schütze Kühnel, Richard / 5.3.1924 / I./ Panzer-Regiment 12
SS-Hauptscharführer Rendel, Willi / 31.3.1913 / II./ Panzer-Regiment 12
SS-Hauptscharführer Lauser, Wilhelm / 3.6.1905 / II./ Panzer-Regiment 12
SS-Hauptscharführer Feddern, Willi / 17.3.1911 / II./ Panzer-Regiment 12
SS-Oberscharführer Olszock, Georg / 4.8.1919 / II./ Panzer-Regiment 12
SS-Oberscharführer Geiss, Adolf / 11.11.1916 / II./ Panzer-Regiment 12
SS-Unterscharführer Otto, Hans / 30.11.1919 / II./ Panzer-Regiment 12
SS-Unterscharführer Aichernig, Hans / 9.2.1915 / II./ Panzer-Regiment 12
SS-Unterscharführer Vitzel, Paul / 10.3.1921 / II./ Panzer-Regiment 12
SS-Unterscharführer Czymmek, Willi / 13.3.1918 / II./ Panzer-Regiment 12
SS-Unterscharführer Sindram, Willi / 15.1.1922 / II./ Panzer-Regiment 12
SS-Unterscharführer Heennig, Karl-Heinz / 9.4.1922 / II./ Panzer-Regiment 12
SS-Unterscharführer Villwock, Heinz / 23.9.1921 / II./ Panzer-Regiment 12
SS-Rottenführer Jokisch, Johann / 4.10.1923 / II./ Panzer-Regiment 12
SS-Sturmmann Wagner, Johann / 26.5.1925 / II./ Panzer-Regiment 12
SS-Sturmmann Emig, Johannes / 10.2.1923 / II./ Panzer-Regiment 12
SS-Sturmmann Werner, Hans / 4.9.1924 / II./ Panzer-Regiment 12
SS-Sturmmann Kaiser, Gerhard / 5.11.1923 / II./ Panzer-Regiment 12
SS-Schütze Kaspar, Ferdinand / 26.3.1926 / II./ Panzer-Regiment 12

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[Moniroth You-Bell]

In this list all the awardings of the Eisernes Kreuz 1. Klasse in the SS-Panzer-Regiment 12 will be listed here
with Rank / Name / Date of Birth / Unit

Der Divisionskommandeur, SS-Brigadeführer und Generalmajor der Waffen-SS Witt, hat mit Wirkung vom 11.6.1944 nachstehend aufgeführten Führern, Unterführern und Mannschaften das Eiserne Kreuz verliehen:

SS-Hauptscharführer Döring, Joachim / 6.12.1915 / 1./ SS-Pz.Rgt. 12
SS-Untersturmführer Stagge, Erich / 13.11.1921 / 3./ SS-Pz.Rgt. 12
SS-Hauptsturmführer Pfeiffer, Hans / 5.12.1915 / 4./ SS-Pz.Rgt. 12
SS-Untersturmführer Walther, Herbert / 23.4.1922 / Stab II./ SS-Pz.Rgt. 12
SS-Unterscharführer Weber, Helmut / 1.8.1921 / 5./ SS-Pz.Rgt. 12
SS-Untersturmführer Kasemiresch, Helmut / 23.9.1919 / 6./ SS-Pz.Rgt. 12
SS-Unterscharführer Stork, Heinz / 6.5.1921 / 6./ SS-Pz.Rgt. 12
SS-Obersturmführer Siegel, Hans / 25.7.1918 / 8./ SS-Pz.Rgt. 12


Im Namen des Führers wurden mit Wirkung vom 24.7.1944 nachstehende Führer, Unterführer und Mannschaften ausgezeichnet:

SS-Hauptscharführer Haag, Siegfried / 26.1.1917 / Rgt.Stabkp./ SS-Pz.Rgt. 12
SS-Untersturmführer Kulke, Richard / 14.12.1924 / Stab I./ SS-Pz.Rgt. 12
SS-Unterscharführer Tinnefeld, Fritz / 20.11.1919 / Stabskp. I./ SS-Pz.Rgt. 12
SS-Hauptscharführer Doose, Heinrich / 1.7.1912 / 1./ SS-Pz.Rgt. 12
SS-Unterscharführer Hohnecker, Johann / 5.6.1920 / 1./ SS-Pz.Rgt. 12
SS-Unterscharführer Parakenings, Horst / 2.8.1923 / 1./ SS-Pz.Rgt. 12
SS-Untersturmführer Heinz, Richard / 26.12.1907 / 2./ SS-Pz.Rgt. 12
SS-Untersturmführer Alban Rudolf / 20.8.1922 / 3./ SS-Pz.Rgt. 12
SS-Untersturmführer Bogensperger, Kurt / 5.4.1924 / 3./ SS-Pz.Rgt. 12
SS-Unterscharführer Hermani, Josef / 30.10.1920 / 3./ SS-Pz.Rgt. 12
SS-Untersturmführer Matthis, Peter / 5.11.1921 / 3./ SS-Pz.Rgt. 12
SS-Oberscharführer Krause, Karl / 5.3.1911 / Stabskp. II./ SS-Pz.Rgt. 12
SS-Untersturmführer Kändler, Willi / 5.7.1920 / 5./ SS-Pz.Rgt. 12
SS-Unterscharführer Kretschmann, Willi / 27.9.1921 / 5./ SS-Pz.Rgt. 12
SS-Untersturmführer Kunze, Helmut / 15.1.1923 / 5./ SS-Pz.Rgt. 12
SS-Untersturmführer Porsch, Karl-Heinz / 16.4.1921 / 5./ SS-Pz.Rgt. 12
SS-Obersturmführer Bando, Helmut / 7.3.1915 / 5./ SS-Pz.Rgt. 12
SS-Obersturmführer Höfler, Herbert / 3.3.1920 / 8./ SS-Pz.Rgt. 12
SS-Rottenführer Knof, Otto / 19.11.1923 / 9./ SS-Pz.Rgt. 12
SS-Oberscharführer Mühig, Erich / 3.9.1908 / Pz.W.Kp./ SS-Pz.Rgt. 12

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[Moniroth You-Bell]

Born: 27.04.1921
KIA: 26.06.1944 Normandy
SS-Ustuf.. 3./SS-PAA 12 00.06.1944
SS-Nr.: 317.546

[Mikedc]

Ste wrote

Ostuf d.R. Hans Baumgardt 3616 (3/26, a very low party number,how old was he??

3.616 was not the party-number from Hans Baumgardt, this was his SS-number. His party-number was 65.514 and he was born on March 6th 1906.

I also did find an Obersturmführer Baumgart who was Platooncommander with 3./26 in 1944 and after the Kompanie-commander Karl Düvel went MIA in December 1944 he took over the command from 3./26 for a while.
I think this Ostuf Baumgart is identical to SS-Ostuf Hans Baumgardt.

Hopefully someone can confirm or deny this. And if someone knows how long he held command of 3./26 that would be welcomed as well.


Greetings, Mike

[Ste]

Obersturmführer Willi Winsemann
Soltau 3.9.1915 - 15.8.1944 Livet b. Livarot
1. Kompanie/26 Panzergrenadier Regiment
Buried at St. Desir-de-Lisieux Block 2 Reihe 37 Grab 868

[radevich]

I have next information about Winsemann, Willy

Chef 11./26 ← 01.08.1944 I./26
15.10.1944 → ?pw.E.Btl.
WIA 15.08.1944

[Ste]

On the same day the 11./26 received also Ostuf Schmidtmann from SS-PAA 12 as Zugführer.

[Bart V.]

I am currently making a big personnel database of all my research on the 12. SS-Panzer-Division "Hitlerjugend" and willingly to make it public! I performed some years of research to the Division and when time permits I still do. I am currently building it up on another Forum (not on hitlerjugenddivision.formution.org due it is a free forum and due I don't have an host rights, fear of being hacked etc.. I am choosing not to build it there). The files (a Thread per Soldat = (Thread "File")) will be continuously updated. Due I copy most straight of my Access database It is hard to copy everything over in the file due technical problems, so I need to correct everything each time. I've thousands of names (including unit/death/medals...).

Please do not copy it ! Have respect for the research I have done and the amount of money I did put in it !

Currently I managed to build Database "A"

Abels - Axmann:
http://www.historicalwarmilitariaforum. ... xmann.html

I am building "B" now (B: Bacholke - Butz):
http://www.historicalwarmilitariaforum. ... -butz.html

You are all free to help me out with information, documents, photographs etc. Everything will be posted in the individual file - so all will be accessible!

[Moniroth You-Bell]

B: ? When was he born

as SS-Ustuf. in 8./SS-PGR 4 DF 07.42
as SS-Ostuf. in 2. SS-Pz.Div 11.43
as SS-Ostuf. Chef 13./SS-PGR 26 06.44

SS-Nr.: 343.083 as SS-Ustuf: 09.11.43

SS-Ustuf: 21.06.42

[Peter]

I just answered this in the SS & Polizei section.

[radevich]

Perhaps someone has information on these members 12. SS-PzDiv.?

Weiß, Walter geb. 18(5).11.1912 Hstuf.: 30.01.1945
Berendes, Heinrich geb.17.01.1914 Ustuf.d.R.: 09.11.1944
Bialas, Bernhard geb. 9.11.1914 Ostuf.: 30.01.1945
Brockmann, Helmut geb. 17.02.1919 Ostuf.d.R.: 30.01.1945
Fröhner, Gerhard geb. 04.03.1914 Ostuf.d.R.: 30.01.1945
Jaernig, Herbert geb.23.03.1912 Ustuf.d.R.: 09.11.1944
Jordan, Albert geb.15.07.1917 Ustuf.d.R.: 09.11.1944
Kleuker, Klaus geb.25.02.1917 Ustuf.d.R.: 09.11.1944
Krause, Karl geb.05.03.1911 Ustuf.d.R.: 09.11.1944
Künzel, Rudolf geb. 29.06.1916 Ostuf. 11.44
Küspert, Fritz geb.19.09.1911 Ustuf.d.R.: 09.11.1944
Lang, Siegfried geb.23.12.1915 Ustuf.d.R.: 09.11.1944
Lehmann, Karl geb.04.05.1914 Ustuf.d.R.: 09.11.1944
Ludwig, Heinz geb. 23.01.1918 Ostuf.d.R.: 30.01.1945
Mahl, Sepp geb.22.03.1919 Ustuf.d.R.: 09.11.1944

Post, Helmut geb.11.07.1912 Ustuf.d.R.: 09.11.1944
Rabe, Theo geb. 31.08.1912 Ostuf.d.R.: 30.01.1945
Radeke, Joachim geb.01.01.1917 Ustuf.d.R.: 09.11.1944
Steinbauer, Willi geb.03.07.1917 Ustuf.d.R.: 09.11.1944
Christoffel, Dr. Paul geb. 28.09.1919 Ustuf.d.R.: 30.01.1945
Derichsweller, Albert geb.06.07.1909 Ostuf.d.R.: 09.11.1944
Dienemann, Paul geb. 03.03.1922 Ustuf.d.R.: 30.01.1945
Gill, Bruno geb. 11.12.1921 Ustuf.d.R.: 30.01.1945
Haack, Günter geb.20.10.1916 Ustuf.d.R.: 01.11.1944; Ostuf.d.R.: 09.11.1944
Schäfers, Friedrich geb. 10.09.1899 Ustuf.d.R.: 30.01.1945
Webel, Franz geb.27.04.1913 Ustuf.d.R.: 09.11.1944
Wörz, Konrad geb.29.09.1917 Ustuf.d.R.: 09.11.1944
Wolf, Wilhelm geb.15.08.1917 Ustuf.d.R.: 09.11.1944
Zischank, Dr. Josef geb.02.02.1910 Ustuf.d.R.: 09.11.1944

SS-Ostuf. Bütschek, Herbert geb.17.06.1920 ‡03.45 Spreenhagen

SS-Ostuf. Kath, Hans geb.11.10.1911, Berlin ‡03.45 St.Pölten

[Bart V.]

Database "C"
http://www.historicalwarmilitariaforum. ... ymmek.html

Started on "D" now

[Ste]

Wikipedia has a page about Albert Derichsweiler:

http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albert_Derichsweiler

[johnwilliamhunter]

Kommandeur

Brigf Witt, Fritz 00 06 43/ 16 06 44
Staf Meyer, Kurt 16 06 44/ 06 09 44
Stubaf Meyer, Hubert 06 09 44/ 24 10 44
Brigf Kraemer, Fritz 24 10 44/ 19 11 44
Ostubaf Kraas, Hugo 19 11 44/ 08 05 45

Axis History website has:

Commanders
SS-Brigadeführer Fritz Witt (24 June 1943 - 14 June 1944) (KIA) (1)
SS-Brigadeführer Kurt Meyer (14 June 1944 - 6 Sep 1944)
SS-Obersturmbannführer Hubert Meyer (6 Sep 1944 - 24 Oct 1944)
SS-Brigadeführer Fritz Kraemer (24 Oct 1944 - 13 Nov 1944)
SS-Brigadeführer Hugo Kraas (13 Nov 1944 - 8 May 1945)

In the book The 12th SS by Hubert Meyer;
It says Fritz Witt was given command of the division in June 44, no exact date
It says Kurt Meyer was given command the same day Witt was killed, 14.6.44
It says Hubert Meyer was given temporary command, after Kurt Meyer was captured on 6.9.44, doesn't give an exact date but he first mentions this with other information for 8.9.44 (a few pages after the mention of Kurt Meyer's capture)
There is no mention I can find of Fritz Kraemer commanding the division, he does say it was originally intended for Kraemer to take command but not that he did
It says that Hugo Kraas took command on 15.11.44

Can anyone shed any more light on these points?

EDIT: also interesting, according to the book 'The Leibstandarte III' by Lehmann, Witt was transferred on 13.5.43 although Meyer in his book gives the date of transfer as June