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Panzer-Aufklärungs-Lehr-Abteilung 130

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Post by jan willem stokkers » 15 Jan 2006, 23:21

In wich part/town of Normandie was Panzer-Aufklärungs-Lehr-Abteilung 130 in the period before the D-Day landings.

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PALA 130

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Post by tigre » 18 Jan 2006, 22:51

Hello jan willem, I don't know where the PALA 130 really was, but at the beginning of June the Pz.Lehr division was deployed in the Chartres - Le Mans - Orléans area (see the map below). Cheers. Tigre.

PD: sources http://web.telia.com/~u18313395/normand ... /lehr.html http://www.vho.org/GB/Journals/JHR/10/2 ... 6-175.html and Der Zweite Welt Krieg by Janusz Piekalkiewicz
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PALA 130 - Organization before the Normandy campaig.

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Post by tigre » 19 Jan 2006, 00:05

Hello to all, I've got this from an old forum; I think the excerpts were taken from the division history written by Oberst a.D. Helmut Ritgens.

Cdr Major Gerd Born von Fallois
Adj Oblt von Borries, Oblt von Daniels-Spangenberg

Stabs Ko. Oblt Werren
Feldpost #30247
Command section with 3 SdKfz 251/1s.
Communications section with 3 SdKfz 251/3s.
A total of 12 lmg.

In June 1944 the Stabs Ko. organization was to include 13 SdKfz 234/1s and 3 SdKfz 234/3s
SpähWagen.

1 Ko. PanzerSpähWagen Oblt Gollwitzer
Feldpost #58793
Command section with 2 SdKfz 234/2
4 Aufklärungs troops with 6 Sdkfz 234/2

2 Ko. Halb-KettenPanzerSpähWagen Oblt Weinstein, Oblt Gavenat
Feldpost #30303
Command section with 1 Sdkfz 250/3
8 Aufklärungs troops with a SdKfz 250/1/3/5 and 2 SdKfz 251/9



3 Ko. SPW Oblt Scharein, Oblt Werren, Lt Gerstenmeier
Feldpost #34247
Command section with SdKfz 251 and SdKfz 1a, 2 MCs
3 Aufklärungs Troops (zügge?) each with 6 Sdkfz 251/1 (used in Halb-Truppen?)
Schwere Section (züg ) with
2 HMGs
3 SdKfz 251/9
2 SdKfz 251/2


4 Ko. SPW Oblt Exner, Hpt Hobner, Oblt Kipner
Feldpost #42339
Command section with SdKfz 251 and SdKfz 1a, 2 MCs
3 Aufklärungs Troops (zügge?) each with 4 Sdkfz 251/1
Schwere Section (züg ) with
2 HMGs
3 SdKfz 251/9
2 SdKfz 251/2

5 Ko. Schwere SPW Hpt Mondelein, Oblt von Borries
Feldpost #33740
Command section with 2 lmg
Pioneer züg with 13 lmgs and 6 flamenwerfers
Pnzrjgr züg with 8 lmgs and 3 PaK 40s
Lchte Inf Gun section (züg) with 4 lmgs and 2 7.5cm leIGs
Gun züg with 8 lmgs and 6 251/9s

Cheers. Tigre.

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PALA 130 - Tilly-Caen Sector.

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Post by tigre » 19 Jan 2006, 00:11

Invasion! and fighting in the Tilly-Caen Sector.

6.6.1944: At 0410 OB West issued orders for Panzer Lehr Division to increase it’s readiness and move to it’s assembly areas. At 1900 PALA 130 starts the reconnoitering march to the invasion front along two pre-determined routes. The night passed uneventfully; PALA’s Kriegstagesbuch stated “Nothing to report” during the night march.

7.6.44: The morning brought an increase to activity, mostly enemy Jabos. Normally the units would stay under cover during the day but a counterattack was planned and PanzerLehr was still a long way from it’s start line. The march was to continue during the day! Progress was soon slowed; PALA took 7 ½ hours to transverse Messy to Rouchamps a distance of only 40km.

8.6.44: At 0900 PALA occupied its assigned security line and began conducting flank (left) security for the division. As ordered on 7.6.44, PALA secured the line Ellon – Trungy.

10.6.44: PALA was attacked by the 56th Inf Bde on the northern flank; i.e. at Ellon. PALA
requested and received an attachment of a PanzerJadgKommando at 1500 in the form
of a Panther zug of the 2nd Ko./6th Panzer Regt near Abbaye de Mondaye. It was forced to withdraw to the line of Berrieres – Trungy. The PALA lost 1 8Rad PzSphWgn, 7 SPW, and 1 AT gun in the fight.

11.6.44: Defensive order to PALA was on the Laurrette Stream to it’s source at la Belle
Epine. The enemy probed, with strong recon forces, the 130 ALA positions on the Aure. PALA lost the la Belle Epine intersection. Reconnaissance to Caumont while repulsing weak U.S. patrols. Made contact with 2nd Panzer’s AufklärungsAbt.

12.6.44: Strong U.S. forces approached Caumont and PanzerLehrBegleitKo. was subordinated to PALA to strengthen it’s defense. Both were committed at Anctoville.
PALA continued to harass enemy movement to the south.

15.6.44: Panzer Lehr’s frontline was shortened to allow 2nd Panzer into the line. PALA takes a
section on the left front of the Division.

16.6.44: PALA attacked by tanks and infantry of the Brit. 69th Bde which were advancing on
the Hottot-Torteval Road. At 1800 a counterattack with the 12th SS Begleit Ko. restored the old line.

17.6.44: More attacks – counterattacks.

18.6.44: The 7th “Green Howards” attacked 3.PALA in Longraye after a mortar preparation.
Initially 3rd Ko. withdrew but successfully counterattacked with the support of 8 RADS, Inf Guns, the Abt.’s Engr Zhg. Along with the support from the 4.PALA and 12th SS Begleit, the Green Howards were overrun, capturing 120 men including the BN Cdr LTC Williamson.

19.6.44: 2300 losses; 75% in the 40 combat platoons, Panzer Lehr reports average daily losses at 60 men. PanzerAufklärungsLehrAbt. 130 secured a border between the Americans
and British east of Caumont. The PALA Stabs Post was in La Mogisiere 5 miles SSE of Aunay-sur-Odon.

26.6.44 Panzer Lehr is replaced by platoons from the 276th Inf. Division and transferred to an area around Aunay as Armee Gruppe reserve.

Best Regards. Tigre.

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Post by Piet Duits » 19 Jan 2006, 09:39

Hi,

Not really answering JW's question, but still... 8O
Somewhere between March 1944 (Hungary) and June 44 (France) the PALA 130 exchanged their le SPW (250's) for the 251's. This also meant (at least to me) they changed their organisation from KStN 1113 (gp) to 1114c (gp). I have not found an order about this yet.

I am not sure if the Stabs-Kompanie really had the 13/3 organisation. From what I know, the 1. Kompanie became part of the Stabs-Kompanie, the 2. Kompanie became 1. etc.


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Post by jan willem stokkers » 19 Jan 2006, 10:12

Tigre and Piet thanks for your support and help! I'am looking for the answer about a part of the AA./Pz.Lehr who was supposed to be a few days/weeks at 2./AA.12. Because it is a memorie of 60 years ago i'am still looking for some small info about a Spähtrupp who was for a short time in this Kompanie. To give it the wright place in my research about AA.12 "HJ" .

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Pz Lehr in May 44

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Post by uli » 20 Jan 2006, 01:33

PzLehr-Aufkl in Mai 44 stayed at Montireau (area: Eure-et-Loir / Chateaudun) with staff and Versorgungs-Kompanie (supply-company); Source: Book "Derniers Combats" by Eric Santin

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Re: Panzer-Aufklärungs-Lehr-Abteilung 130

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Post by Petr Vejvoda » 23 Sep 2008, 12:36

Hello,
also in this topic I would like to ask for help with the identification of sdkfz 234/2 of the 1. PanzerSpähWagen Kompanie.
There are many confusing informations about turret numbers of sdkf 234/2 used in Normandy.
One of them says that there vere no turret numbers on PALA 130 234/2 "Pumas". Is that possible, is that sure?
Please help.

P.S. I sugest that 234/2s with turet numbers 111, 112, 1111 etc. (known from pictures) belonget to 2nd Pz.Div.
and 234/2s with turret numbers 028 etc.(known from pictures) belonged to LSAH

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Re: PALA 130 - Organization before the Normandy campaig.

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Post by Kelvin » 27 Aug 2009, 20:41

tigre wrote:Hello to all, I've got this from an old forum; I think the excerpts were taken from the division history written by Oberst a.D. Helmut Ritgens.

Cdr Major Gerd Born von Fallois
Adj Oblt von Borries, Oblt von Daniels-Spangenberg

Stabs Ko. Oblt Werren
Feldpost #30247
Command section with 3 SdKfz 251/1s.
Communications section with 3 SdKfz 251/3s.
A total of 12 lmg.

In June 1944 the Stabs Ko. organization was to include 13 SdKfz 234/1s and 3 SdKfz 234/3s
SpähWagen.

1 Ko. PanzerSpähWagen Oblt Gollwitzer
Feldpost #58793
Command section with 2 SdKfz 234/2
4 Aufklärungs troops with 6 Sdkfz 234/2

2 Ko. Halb-KettenPanzerSpähWagen Oblt Weinstein, Oblt Gavenat
Feldpost #30303
Command section with 1 Sdkfz 250/3
8 Aufklärungs troops with a SdKfz 250/1/3/5 and 2 SdKfz 251/9



3 Ko. SPW Oblt Scharein, Oblt Werren, Lt Gerstenmeier
Feldpost #34247
Command section with SdKfz 251 and SdKfz 1a, 2 MCs
3 Aufklärungs Troops (zügge?) each with 6 Sdkfz 251/1 (used in Halb-Truppen?)
Schwere Section (züg ) with
2 HMGs
3 SdKfz 251/9
2 SdKfz 251/2


4 Ko. SPW Oblt Exner, Hpt Hobner, Oblt Kipner
Feldpost #42339
Command section with SdKfz 251 and SdKfz 1a, 2 MCs
3 Aufklärungs Troops (zügge?) each with 4 Sdkfz 251/1
Schwere Section (züg ) with
2 HMGs
3 SdKfz 251/9
2 SdKfz 251/2

5 Ko. Schwere SPW Hpt Mondelein, Oblt von Borries
Feldpost #33740
Command section with 2 lmg
Pioneer züg with 13 lmgs and 6 flamenwerfers
Pnzrjgr züg with 8 lmgs and 3 PaK 40s
Lchte Inf Gun section (züg) with 4 lmgs and 2 7.5cm leIGs
Gun züg with 8 lmgs and 6 251/9s

Cheers. Tigre.
2. Kompanie should be equipped with sdkfz 250/9

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Re: Panzer-Aufklärungs-Lehr-Abteilung 130

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Post by Kelvin » 14 May 2010, 07:03

No 251/2 and 251/9 in 3. and 4. kompanies of Pz Lehr Aufklarung abteillung, at least in early June 1944. Only 250/7 !

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Post by Kelvin » 27 Jun 2010, 23:06

Piet Duits wrote:Hi,

Not really answering JW's question, but still... 8O
Somewhere between March 1944 (Hungary) and June 44 (France) the PALA 130 exchanged their le SPW (250's) for the 251's. This also meant (at least to me) they changed their organisation from KStN 1113 (gp) to 1114c (gp). I have not found an order about this yet.

I am not sure if the Stabs-Kompanie really had the 13/3 organisation. From what I know, the 1. Kompanie became part of the Stabs-Kompanie, the 2. Kompanie became 1. etc.


Piet

Hi, Piet, you meant 3. and 4 kompanie of Pz.A.L.A 130 exchanged their leSPW 250 series ? In accordance with Pz divison 1944, 3. and 4 komp became 2. and 3. kompanie and the latter were to be equipped with 250 and 251 series respectively. And if just old 4 kompanie ( mean 1944 : 3. komp) replaced with 251 is reasonable. But if both kompanie exchanged 250 for 251, is hardly found in Pz division 1944, So you mean just one kompanie or two kompanie ?

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Re: Panzer-Aufklärungs-Lehr-Abteilung 130

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Post by Griffin brigade » 24 Jul 2015, 22:39

Hi,

I am searching for information on which units of the Panzer Lehr confronted Tanks of the 8th Hussars , 7th Armoured Divison west of Hottot on 12th June 1944 , i believe it may have been elements of Panzer-Aufklärungs-Lehr-Abteilung 130 ?

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Re: Panzer-Aufklärungs-Lehr-Abteilung 130

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Post by Griffin brigade » 05 Jan 2016, 23:04

Has anyone got the KTB for Panzer-Aufklärungs-Lehr-Abteilung 130 for June 1944 ?

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Post by Kelvin » 06 Jan 2016, 07:57

AHF and Feldgrau.net have those information, use serach engine.

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Re: Panzer-Aufklärungs-Lehr-Abteilung 130

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Post by Griffin brigade » 06 Jan 2016, 15:39

Kelvin wrote:AHF and Feldgrau.net have those information, use serach engine.
I have tried that without success , could you provide a link please ?

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