SS-Kavallerie-Ausbildungs- und Ersatz-Abteilung

[Mikedc]

I know there was a SS-Kavallerie-Ausbildungs- und Ersatz-Abteilung 8 and I also know that there was a
SS-Kavallerie-Ausbildungs- und Ersatz-Regiment.

But what about this unit???
Was it a different one and in which bigger unit did it serve or was it an independent unit???

I didn't find much on the internet and on this forum only a reference to SS-Kav.-AuE-Abt. 8(Kurt Barsch).
I do ask about this unit because I did find an officer on this forim who served in it,
SS-Ustuf Karl-Heinz Schwarz.


Thanks,
Mike

[jarek_g]

Mike,
in my files existed info:
SS-Kavallerie Ausbildungs und Ersatz Regiment
formed in early 1940 as SS-Kavallerie Ersatz Abteilung Warschau
CO SS-Sturmbannführer Rudolf-Gustav Ruge
from 20.03.40 - SS-Sturmbannführer Josef Fritz
from 22.03.41 - SS-Sturmbannführer Hans-Victor von Zastrow
and from 21.08.42 (?) SS-Sturmbannführer Walter Naymann
1. Ersatz Schwadron Kielce (GG) - CO SS-Ostuf. Ernst Imhof
2. Ersatz Schwadron Cholm (GG)- CO SS-Hstuf. Reichenwallner (?), later SS-Hstuf Stefan Charwat,
3. Ersatz Schwadron München - CO SS-Stubaf. Günther Temme
renamed 1.05.1943 - SS-Reiter Ausbildungs und Ersatz Abteilung Warschau
15.08.1944 - moved to Beneschau (Tr.Üb.Pl. Böhmen)
1.12.1944 enlarged SS-Kavallerie Ausb. u. Ersatz Regiment Beneschau
20.02.1945 delivery to 37. SS-Kavallerie Division "Lützow"
CO from 1943 SS-Obersturmbannführer Wilhelm Plänk

I ask to supplement
Jarek

[Phil Nix]

Hi Mike
the two could be the same unit the number 8 refering to the connection with the Florien Geyer division
Phil Nix

[Mikedc]

Hello Phil,

It looks more then obvious that the Abteilung and Abteilung 8 are one and the same.
And like you said, both are connectd to the 'Florian Geyer' so it makes alot of sense.

But they're probably not the same unit as the Regiment.


I wanna say thank you to Jarek for his most valuable information about the SS-Kavallerie-AuE-Regiment.
I only can add the follwoing two officers, I don't have anything more on this unit, sorry.
SS-Untersturmführer Bernhard Abel: Served with it in 12-44.
SS-Obersturmführer Karl Saffert: Served with it in 1944/1945.


Greetings to both of you.
Mike

[Mikedc]

Hello Jarek,

I did found Ruge and Fritz already in my files, will investigate them further.
I also have von Zastrow in my files but he couldn't have been commander from this unit
between 22-3-41 and ??
I have him KIA on 10-2-41 in Poland.

And I don't have anything on Naymann in my files.


Greetings,
Mike

[Peter J. Hertel]

Mike,

This information is courtesy of Mark Yerger's excellent book on the SS-Kavallerie-Brigade,
"Riding East - the SS Cavalry Brigade in Poland and Russia 1939-1942".

SS-Kavallerie-Ersatzabteilung
(cavalry replacement detachment)

as of late March 1941

Commander :SS-Hstuf. Hans-Viktor von Zastrow


1. Ersatzschwadron (Warschau) : SS-Obersturmführer Ernst Imhoff
(1st Replacement Squadron)

1. Zug (Platoon) : SS-Untersturmführer Franz Rehbein
2. Zug (Platoon) : SS-Obersturmführer Norbert Peters
3. Zug (Platoon) : SS-Obersturmführer Friedrich Peters
Maschinengewehr Zug : SS-Untersturmführer Hans Essel
(Machine-gun Platoon)

2. Ersatzschwadron (Warschau) : SS-Hauptsturmführer Stephan Charwat
(2nd Replacement Squadron)

1. Zug (Platoon) : SS-Obersturmführer Viktor Sessler-Herzinger
2. Zug (Platoon) : SS-Untersturmführer Heinz Wowerat
3. Zug (Platoon) : SS-Untersturmführer Karl Hermann

3. Ersatzschwadron (München) : SS-Sturmbannführer Günther Temme
(3rd Replacement Squadron)

1. Zug (Platoon) : SS-Untersturmführer Franz Friedrich
2. Zug (Platoon) : SS-Hauptsturmführer Egon Birkigt
3. Zug (Platoon) : SS-Hauptsturmführer Rolf Becher



When the SS-Kavallerie-Division was formed from the remnants of the Brigade, the replacement detachment was expanded to regimental size.

All the best,

Pete

[jarek_g]

Hans-Viktor von Zastrow died in eastern front 10.12.1942 as CO of SS-Reiter Regiment 3.
After him Co of 3rd Rgt was:
iV from 10.12.42 - SS-Hauptsturmführer Walter Bornscheuer
from 1.01.43 - SS-Obersturmbannführer Johannes-Eugen von Elfenau
from 21.01.43 - SS-Sturmbannführer Sepp Syr
and iV from 4.02.43 to 10.04.43 - SS-Hauptsturmführer Adolf Schwarzmeier.
I also have troubles from Naymann. Because I gave "?"
All info from NARA T-354 files.

Jarek

[Mikedc]

Hello Peter,

Great info indeed and yes, I know about that book.
It's not for nothing in my top ten from my booklist.

And I wanna thank Jarek for the correct DoD from Von Zastrow. I really don't know where I did
found the DoD I was mentioning but I have found it fore sure somewhere.
But okay, it's a wrong one so I'll change all the info for sure in his file.

And the info you both are giving in this post gives us a bit more insight in this unit, sounds very
interesting indeed. I'll investigate all mentioned officers for sure, some will be in my files
probably, others probably not. But finding new names is always a challenge.


Greetings,
Mike

[Peter J. Hertel]

Hi Jarek,

What was the source for your information?

You said in your last post "all from NARA T-354 files", could you tell us what the microfilm roll numbers are?

Many thanks.

Peter

[Mikedc]

Hello Peter,

The SS-Ustuf Franz Friedrich you're mentioning, could he be the same as SS-Ostubaf Franz Friedrich who
was commander of SS-Freiwilligen-Kavallerie-Regiment 93 with 37. SS-Freiwilligen-Kavallerie-Division
'Lützow'?????

And the SS-Hstuf Rolf Becher you're mentioning, could he be the same as this person????
Rudolf ‘Rolf’ Becher.
Born on 21-9-1906.
Member NSDAP(nr. 1.133.791).
Member SS(nr. 271.938).
SS-Hauptsturmführer.
From December 1937 till May 1945 he was commander from 10. SS-Reiterstandarte(HQ in Arolsen).
On 10-9-1939 he got promoted to SS-Sturmbannführer.
Later on he also was promoted to SS-Hauptsturmführer d.R.


Greetings,
Mike

[Peter J. Hertel]

Hello Peter,

The SS-Ustuf Franz Friedrich you're mentioning, could he be the same as SS-Ostubaf Franz Friedrich who
was commander of SS-Freiwilligen-Kavallerie-Regiment 93 with 37. SS-Freiwilligen-Kavallerie-Division
'Lützow'?????

And the SS-Hstuf Rolf Becher you're mentioning, could he be the same as this person????
Rudolf ‘Rolf’ Becher.
Born on 21-9-1906.
Member NSDAP(nr. 1.133.791).
Member SS(nr. 271.938).
SS-Hauptsturmführer.
From December 1937 till May 1945 he was commander from 10. SS-Reiterstandarte(HQ in Arolsen).
On 10-9-1939 he got promoted to SS-Sturmbannführer.
Later on he also was promoted to SS-Hauptsturmführer d.R.


Greetings,
Mike

To your first question, yes he is.
Here is some bio material from John Moore

Friedrich, Franz SS-Stubaf.
Born : 14 June 1902 in München.
SS-Nr. 32 454
Kdr.Kav.Rgt.93 as of March 1945.
SS-Hstuf. Kdr.SS-Kav.Ers.Abt. as of February 1942.
SS-Hstuf. in SS-Kav.Rgt.1 as of June 1941.

and to your second question, yes again.

Becher, Rolf SS-Hstuf.
Born : 21 September 1906 in Karlsbad.
SS-Nr. 271 938
Nachsch.6 July 1944
SS-Hstuf. Nachsch.7 as of March 1943.
SS-Hstuf. Chef,9./Kav.Rgt. as of 1 July1941.

Peter

[Mikedc]

Hello Peter,

Thank you very much for the reply, the info you gave me is very usefull.

I'll start with Rolf Becher.
Nachsch.6 July 1944
SS-Hstuf. Nachsch.7 as of March 1943.
SS-Hstuf. Chef,9./Kav.Rgt. as of 1 July1941.

All this was not in my file and I also couldn't find it in 'Die Personen-Lexikon der NSDAP'.
What I would like to know is the following:
He was CO 9. Kp with Kav. Rgt., but which Kav. Rgt.(I'm looking for the number)???
And Nachsch. 7 must be SS-Nachschub-Kompanie 7 with 7. SS-Freiw. Geb. Div. 'PE'. Was he just serving
with this Kp or was he the commander of it???
And Nachsch. 6 has to be SS-Nachschub 6 with 6. SS-Geb. Div. 'Nord' of course.

And here's some more info on Becher.
He got promoted to SS-Ustuf on 20-4-1936.
He got promoted to SS-Ostuf on 20-4-1937.
He got promoted to SS-Hstuf on 30-1-1938.
From September 1939 till ?? he was CO from Reiterstaffel 1 with 4. Schwadron der berittenen Abteilung der
verstärkten SS-Totenkopf-Verbände.
Reserveführer der Waffen-SS.
He got promoted to SS-Hstuf d.R. on 1-3-1940.
He received KVK2mS, KVK1mS, Ehrendegen des RF SS and Totenkopfring der SS.

Source from this info:
'Die Personen-Lexikon der NSDAP'.


Greetings,
Mike

[Mikedc]

Peter wrote:

When the SS-Kavallerie-Division was formed from the remnants of the Brigade, the replacement detachment was expanded to regimental size.

So when I make a correct interpretation out of this it means that SS-Kavallerie-Ersatz-Abteilung, SS-Kavallerie-Ersatz-
Abteilung 8 and SS-Kavallerie-Ausbildungs- und Ersatz-Regiment always have been a part of 8. SS-Kavallerie-Division
'Florian Geyer'.


Mike

[Mikedc]

Hello Peter,

This info on Franz Friedrich was new to me so thanks for sharing it.

But I'm puzzled by something.
You say he was Kdr. SS-Kav. Ers. Abt. from 2-42 till ??(SS-Hstuf. Kdr.SS-Kav.Ers.Abt. as of February 1942). At least
this was the info you've found in J. Moore's Führerliste.

But earlier in this post or thread Jarek says the following:
SS-Kavallerie Ausbildungs und Ersatz Regiment
formed in early 1940 as SS-Kavallerie Ersatz Abteilung Warschau
CO SS-Sturmbannführer Rudolf-Gustav Ruge
from 20.03.40 - SS-Sturmbannführer Josef Fritz
from 22.03.41 - SS-Sturmbannführer Hans-Victor von Zastrow
and from 21.08.42 (?) SS-Sturmbannführer Walter Naymann

So could it be possible that von Zastrow was CO from 22-3-41 till 2-42 and that F. Friedrich took over command
at that time??? Because he's placing a questionmark with Naymann as CO, so it could be that Friedrich became
CO instead of Naymann.

Well, maybe somebody can solve this as well, would be nice to know.
As you'll know I'm not really into this unit-stuff but when I write a bio I try to collect the most accurate information
as possible. And here I've some doubt and therefor I ask questions about it.

Greetings,
Mike

[Peter J. Hertel]

Mike,

So could it be possible that von Zastrow was CO from 22-3-41 till 2-42 and that F. Friedrich took over command
at that time??? Because he's placing a questionmark with Naymann as CO, so it could be that Friedrich became
CO instead of Naymann.

Probably, that is why I asked Jarek for his source, as I can find no trace of a Walter Naymann as an SS officer.

So when I make a correct interpretation out of this it means that SS-Kavallerie-Ersatz-Abteilung, SS-Kavallerie-Ersatz-
Abteilung 8 and SS-Kavallerie-Ausbildungs- und Ersatz-Regiment always have been a part of 8. SS-Kavallerie-Division
'Florian Geyer'.

No, it went on to become the replacement unit for the 8. SS-Kavallerie-Division "Florian Geyer".
You could say it was always a replacement unit for the cavalry units of the SS.

What I would like to know is the following:
He was CO 9. Kp with Kav. Rgt., but which Kav. Rgt.(I'm looking for the number)???
And Nachsch. 7 must be SS-Nachschub-Kompanie 7 with 7. SS-Freiw. Geb. Div. 'PE'. Was he just serving
with this Kp or was he the commander of it???
And Nachsch. 6 has to be SS-Nachschub 6 with 6. SS-Geb. Div. 'Nord' of course.

1. SS-Totenkopf-Reiterstandarte based in Warschau and then in Lodz.
As far as I know he was serving with both the Nachschub 7 and Nachschub 6, in what
capacity, I am sorry I do not know.

Many thanks for the extra info on Becher and the source of your information.
I do have that book as well, got it when it first came out. I wasn' t too impressed with it as
you can see most of the information is taken from Mark Yerger's books, the DALs',
plus a few other books that I have in my library. So I really didn't glean too much
biographical information from it all.

Peter