Armenian & Aserbaijan "National Committees"

[maxpower]

Does anyone know who were the members of these committees? Where can I look for more info on the members?
Thanks everyone for all your past help
John

[George Lepre]

Hi John -

I would guess that the first place to look for information on the national committees would be within U.S. National Archives Records Group 242, Microcopy T-454, which contains the records of the RMBO, or Reichsministerium für die besetzten Ostgebiete. Another possibility would be materials written by historians from the two countries you named (one would hope that these sources made use of documents in former Soviet archives).

Good luck!

Best regards,

George

[clement]

Hello John ,one one the main man of the Azerbaidjan National commitee (1943) was Abo Aslan Alieyevich Fatalibeyli Dudanginski (look in wikipedia ,Azeri project ,I have sent last week a short bio in the sandbox) one of the architects of the Azerbaijanese Legion.I am working right now on this topic.This comittee was created with the help of Mehmet Emin Resulzade first chairman of "Musavat" party ,Chairman of Azerbaijan National Council on May 28, 1918 after declaration of independence of Azerbaijan..
Other people from this comittee were Fuad Amirjan,Ismayil Akber,Ferman Mammedov and Mezahir Dachqin
Another Azerbaidjan National commitee was created in Munich in 1950 by ,guess who , Abo Fatalibeyli ,cleared by US War Department.
Leave me a few days I will be able to write more stuff about this subject
My sources are mostly Azerbaidjanese I go visiting Archives in Baku every time I visit azerbaidjan.
There is a book (in Azeri) call Azerbaijan Legionerlery ,written by Nasiman Yaqublu ,released in june 2006
Another book will be soon released in Russian.
Later
Clement

[Hadi]

Does anyone know who were the members of these committees? Where can I look for more info on the members?
Thanks everyone for all your past help
John

Hello,

Two persons were Talat Alpoti and Ashraf bey (died in 2009).
And one more person who died in 2006.

[Hadi]

Hello John ,one one the main man of the Azerbaidjan National commitee (1943) was Abo Aslan Alieyevich Fatalibeyli Dudanginski (look in wikipedia ,Azeri project ,I have sent last week a short bio in the sandbox) one of the architects of the Azerbaijanese Legion.I am working right now on this topic.This comittee was created with the help of Mehmet Emin Resulzade first chairman of "Musavat" party ,Chairman of Azerbaijan National Council on May 28, 1918 after declaration of independence of Azerbaijan..
Other people from this comittee were Fuad Amirjan,Ismayil Akber,Ferman Mammedov and Mezahir DachqinAnother Azerbaidjan National commitee was created in Munich in 1950 by ,guess who , Abo Fatalibeyli ,cleared by US War Department.
Leave me a few days I will be able to write more stuff about this subject
My sources are mostly Azerbaidjanese I go visiting Archives in Baku every time I visit azerbaidjan.
There is a book (in Azeri) call Azerbaijan Legionerlery ,written by Nasiman Yaqublu ,released in june 2006
Another book will be soon released in Russian.
Later
Clement

Hello Clement,

Is it possible to find pictures of these people mentioned in your post:
Fuad Amirjan,Ismayil Akber,Ferman Mammedov and Mezahir Dachqin
Can they be in the Bunderswehr archive?

[Panzermahn]

I believed the archives of the Ostministerium (Eastern Ministry) headed by Rosenberg as well as the Eastern Section of the Propaganda Ministry would have some information of the National Committees formed by Eastern emigres in Germany during the war.

There is a book waiting to be written regarding systematic German efforts of political warfare beginning generally 1943 to cause confusion and chaos at the Allies (Katyn 1943 is one of the good examples of German political warfare)

During the war, the Abwehr, Wehrmacht and the Eastern Ministry was very much in favour of an Axis version of Wilsonian self-determination policy for the Eastern peoples oppressed by the Soviets and this can be seen by the Wehrmacht's support for the Gruppe Nachtigall (the first foreign volunteer unit of the Third Reich) during Operation Barbarossa.

It was the RSHA under Himmler (including SD as well) with the latter's racialistic crankpot view that would not tolerate such views as Germany was still in great control of Europe from 1940-42. Himmler belately changed his views when the fortunes of Germany was crumbling and finally authorized the formation of numerous National Committees in spring 1945 which would have not any effects on Germany's efforts of political warfare since the end was only a few weeks away

[Hadi]

Hello Panzermahn,

Thank you for your information.

Can somebody advice where to find the Ostministerium arcives?

[George Lepre]

Hi Hadi -

See my post above.

George

[Hadi]

Hi George,

Thank you very much. It looks like that this information inaccessible. It was told me that it is impossible to obtain any information from archives in Washington (If the U.S. National Archives - Maryland is the same).

Anyway I'll send request to both your recomendations.

Thank you,

Hadi

[George Lepre]

Hi Hadi -

I've been to the U.S. National Archives many times and can provide some information to you.

There are indeed TWO National Archives. The "Old Archives," or "Archives I" building is the Washington D.C. facility. That is where the documents prior to World War I are kept. The "Archives II" facility is a newer building that opened in the 1990s on Adelphi Road in College Park, Maryland. It holds the material on World War I to the present. The RMBO documents are available on microfilm in the College Park building on the fourth floor. The original documents were returned to the Germans many years ago and are available in the Bundesarchiv system, probably in Berlin. (The Berlin facility on Finckensteinlallee is the former Lichterfelde Barracks of the "Leibstandarte Adolf Hitler.")

However, there is an easy solution for you. The microfilm rolls are available on interlibrary loan. If you have a good university library near you, they can order the rolls through the Center for Research Libraries.

Good luck, and let me know if you need any assistance. I'll help if I can, especially if you plan on publishing your research.

Best regards,

George

[Hadi]

Hi George,

I very appreciate for all this information. That's great. I'll contact to our university as you adviced. And I have frends in Washington.

By the way I requested information from Der Bundesbeauftragte fur Unterlagen des Staatssicherheitsdienstes der ehemaligen Deuischen Demokratischen Republik, but they couldn't find anything.

Thank you very much.

Sincerely your,

Hadi

[George Lepre]

Hi Hadi -

Thank you for your answer. It's quite a coincidence that you mentioned BStU, since I'm currently conducting research there on a Cold War topic. I've visited twice already and will return again soon. My Sacharbeiterin told me that they do have quite a bit of Third Reich material there but not on every subject.

I was pleased to hear that you have access to a university library. Now all you have to do is consult the microfilm guide for Microcopy T-454 to find the particular rolls containing the documents that specifically deal with the National Committees. I just read that the entire set consists of only 107 microfilm rolls so this should not be too difficult. If there is relevant material present, however, it might be limited, as the Germans did not occupy Azerbaijan.

You mentioned Dudanginski in this thread. I believe that he was assassinated after the war in West Germany by the KGB. If you can obtain KGB files on this killing (and identify the assassin) it would be of MAJOR historical significance.

Do you plan on publishing any work on the National Committees?

Best regards,

George

[clement]

Ah ah those mysterious KGB files , good luck ,it is the graal of lots of historians ,the main informations about national commitees are in Dallin papers and G.Von Mende archives.
About Fetelibeyli death:
Sunday 21 November 1954 AF killed by Mikail Ismailov an ex legionar from the 804 btl, head smashed probably with a hammer and then garrotted and stuffed under a sofa.
“On November 22 Mrs Böhm an elderly Munich landlady was cleaning her apartment when she discovered a man’s body underneath a couch, lying face down with his hands tied behind his back.
She told the police that the dead man was Ismailov, an émigré who sometimes used the kitchen in her apartment.
The coroner determined that the man died of strangulation after having been hit over the head by a blunt object (hammer)
The body of the man known as Ismailov was buried and the police proceed with their investigation.
At the same time, Abo Fatalibey, the editor of RL’s Azeri service, failed to show up for work on several consecutive days.His apartment was searched, to no avail, and the police listed Abo as a suspect in Ismailov’s killing.
Then a rumour began circulating that the man buried as Ismailov was in fact Fatalibey.The body was exhumed, and the rumour proved accurate”
[http://www.zeit.de/1954/50/Der−Moerder−ist−der−Ermordete]


Mikail Ismailov (Azeri-Russian): veteran from 804 Aserb. btl incorporated in Italy into the Grenadier Regiment 329 formed 8.09.1944 in the 162 Turk.DI.
Ismailov deserted and went to the side of Italian partisans.
Married to Italian woman, 2 kids.
Registered for repatriation to Soviet Union in 1951.
Returned there in 1951.
Arrested as an army deserter upon arrival and faced 25 years in prison.1952 arrived in Dresden where wife and children waiting for him. Leave the soviet zone and arrived in US zone in 1953.After a few weeks in a displaced persons camp in Nuremberg moves to Munich with the help of Fetelibeyli. No contact with political émigré activities, not involved with RL.
Became”friend” with Abo in Munich.
(This man was most certainly hired by KGB/Smersh.).
He was found hanged later in Baku. Did he committed suicide or was helped by Azeri nationalist or... is it a legend.

[Hadi]

Hello George,

I have to note that it is very duffucalt to obtain any info from BStU and as they told me, all informations are secured and most of information they can not provide for some security reasons.

Regaring the unversity library, I have to check if I can use your advice in my country.

Publishing - First of all I should get information. For ex. I have photos and can recognize the person, but I need outside professional examination of it. Then it is necessary to find Wustrow camp archives http://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic.php?f=51&t=191321

About Dudanginski, http://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic.php?f=51&t=112538&start=15, post 27. There are a lot of materials about Dudangiski, also how his was killed. As it was told me, the author obtained some materials from KGB. I assume that he can provide more info regarding that. The book is russian.
There is the same info in this book as Clement provided in his post. And it is really difficalt to obtain any info from KGB. They tried to get more information for themselfs, but not provide anything.

Best regards,

Hadi

[Hadi]

...
About Fetelibeyli death:
... [http://www.zeit.de/1954/50/Der−Moerder−ist−der−Ermordete]
...
He was found hanged later in Baku. Did he committed suicide or was helped by Azeri nationalist or... is it a legend.

Hello Clement,

Thank you for this info. All these are in this book http://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic.php?f=51&t=112538&start=15, post 27. Probably the author used the same source (I'll check).

Best regards,

Hadi