Aserbeidschanische Infanterie Bataillon 818
Aserbeidschanische Infanterie Bataillon 818
I'm looking for information about the Aserbeidschanische Infaterie Bataillon 818 - 818th Azerbaijani Regiment. It was created in 1943 and apparently stationed in Warsaw in august 1944 as part of the 17th Division (Heer).
What happened to this unit? Where can I found more information about this unit?
What happened to this unit? Where can I found more information about this unit?
Michalst, some other stories about Donmec Btl ,818 Btl and Warsaw uprising
Exerpt from Polonia today (no author’s name)
Polish participants of the Warsaw Uprising of 1944 in their testimonies and memoirs often incorrectly refer to 'Ukrainians' or the 'Vlasov Army' as the German collaborating forces who were guilty of pillage, rapes, and murders committed against the Warsaw civilians. However, in most cases the reference is to 1,700 soldiers of the Waffen-SS Brigade RONA (Russkaya Osvoboditelnaya Narodnaya Armiya), a Russian collaborating force headed by Waffen Brigadeführer Bronislaw Kaminski. The RONA brigade, at the time of the Warsaw Uprising, was comprised mostly of Russians with Belorussian and Ukrainian minorities. Most were volunteers, ex-POWs, and Red Army deserters. In addition to RONA, German forces included some units formed with volunteers and ex-POWs from various Soviet Union ethnic groups: e.g. Cossacks, Kalmucks, and Azerbaijanis (Bergmann Battalion).
On that first day alone, 2,000 AK troops (about 15% of their entire force in Warsaw) fell, in comparison with 500 Germans. At this early stage of the struggle, Warsaw had a foretaste of the inhuman atrocities, perpetrated above all by the Germans, which were to become horrifyingly typical of the whole uprising. From the start of the fighting the Poles too took hardly any prisoners. Take, for example, the following incident. The main center for wounded, situated between Litewska and Koszykowa Street, was recaptured on 2nd August. All the inmates had been killed, in order to save ammunition, by having their throats cut. And on Koszykowa Street itself, the barracks of an Azerbaijan Legion fighting on the German side was stormed and captured after hours of bitter resistance--the defeated German auxiliaries had their throats cut. One who escaped hid for over twenty four hours in a broom-cupboard; then, stripped and clad only in his underpants, he fought his way over roof-tops, through back-yards and gardens to a German base in Aleji Ujasdowskie Street.
Russian source (very quick translation)
During the retreat of the German army in the Caucasus Bergman performed special tasks including the destruction of industrial plants and other facilities. In February 1943 the connection was put to the Crimea where used in the southern coast peninsula and in the fight against local guerrillas.. Late autumn and winter of 1943-44, all battalions from Bergmann took part with the German troops in the brutal fighting at the Perekopscom isthmusThey were later evacuated from the peninsula and sent to Greece and Poland where their main task is the fight against the guerrillas. For example, one Azeri battalion in August 1944 (Aserbeidschanische Feld Bataillon I./111) acted in a group attack on the repression of the Warsaw uprising.
Turkestan Legion had never been used in accordance with the far-reaching plans of its creators and acted first in the area of Yampola Glukhova against guerrillas then in the Kalmackih steppes as a standard field battalion. Creator and the first battalion commander was Major A. Mayer -mader.. By recruiting prisoners and FE serving officers and non-commissioned officers from other battalions, which promised higher salaries and the rapid promotions, Mayer-mader was able to gather the necessary staffing, although very dubious quality. However, it continued its initiatives towards which ects the HS. Formed regiment was intended to serve as the basis for the establishment of the SS division called Neu Turkestan for which of the Wehrmacht had been allocated several battalions (782, 786, 790, 791(Turkestan),818 (Azerbaijan) and 831(Volga Tatars).
This is a quick translation ,as you probably know the Osttürkischen Waffen-Verbände der SS was formed on January 1944 as 1.Ostmuslemanische SS-Regiment. (Actually, the Reichsführer SS plans to expand it into a division, Muselmanischen SS-Division Neu-Turkestan, but the plan never realized.) This new formation formed form the Turkic units in the Heer that was disbanded, i.e., 450th, 480th, and I/94 Turkic battalions, plus some new recruits from German POW camps
Hope we will find what we are looking for
Exerpt from Polonia today (no author’s name)
Polish participants of the Warsaw Uprising of 1944 in their testimonies and memoirs often incorrectly refer to 'Ukrainians' or the 'Vlasov Army' as the German collaborating forces who were guilty of pillage, rapes, and murders committed against the Warsaw civilians. However, in most cases the reference is to 1,700 soldiers of the Waffen-SS Brigade RONA (Russkaya Osvoboditelnaya Narodnaya Armiya), a Russian collaborating force headed by Waffen Brigadeführer Bronislaw Kaminski. The RONA brigade, at the time of the Warsaw Uprising, was comprised mostly of Russians with Belorussian and Ukrainian minorities. Most were volunteers, ex-POWs, and Red Army deserters. In addition to RONA, German forces included some units formed with volunteers and ex-POWs from various Soviet Union ethnic groups: e.g. Cossacks, Kalmucks, and Azerbaijanis (Bergmann Battalion).
On that first day alone, 2,000 AK troops (about 15% of their entire force in Warsaw) fell, in comparison with 500 Germans. At this early stage of the struggle, Warsaw had a foretaste of the inhuman atrocities, perpetrated above all by the Germans, which were to become horrifyingly typical of the whole uprising. From the start of the fighting the Poles too took hardly any prisoners. Take, for example, the following incident. The main center for wounded, situated between Litewska and Koszykowa Street, was recaptured on 2nd August. All the inmates had been killed, in order to save ammunition, by having their throats cut. And on Koszykowa Street itself, the barracks of an Azerbaijan Legion fighting on the German side was stormed and captured after hours of bitter resistance--the defeated German auxiliaries had their throats cut. One who escaped hid for over twenty four hours in a broom-cupboard; then, stripped and clad only in his underpants, he fought his way over roof-tops, through back-yards and gardens to a German base in Aleji Ujasdowskie Street.
Russian source (very quick translation)
During the retreat of the German army in the Caucasus Bergman performed special tasks including the destruction of industrial plants and other facilities. In February 1943 the connection was put to the Crimea where used in the southern coast peninsula and in the fight against local guerrillas.. Late autumn and winter of 1943-44, all battalions from Bergmann took part with the German troops in the brutal fighting at the Perekopscom isthmusThey were later evacuated from the peninsula and sent to Greece and Poland where their main task is the fight against the guerrillas. For example, one Azeri battalion in August 1944 (Aserbeidschanische Feld Bataillon I./111) acted in a group attack on the repression of the Warsaw uprising.
Turkestan Legion had never been used in accordance with the far-reaching plans of its creators and acted first in the area of Yampola Glukhova against guerrillas then in the Kalmackih steppes as a standard field battalion. Creator and the first battalion commander was Major A. Mayer -mader.. By recruiting prisoners and FE serving officers and non-commissioned officers from other battalions, which promised higher salaries and the rapid promotions, Mayer-mader was able to gather the necessary staffing, although very dubious quality. However, it continued its initiatives towards which ects the HS. Formed regiment was intended to serve as the basis for the establishment of the SS division called Neu Turkestan for which of the Wehrmacht had been allocated several battalions (782, 786, 790, 791(Turkestan),818 (Azerbaijan) and 831(Volga Tatars).
This is a quick translation ,as you probably know the Osttürkischen Waffen-Verbände der SS was formed on January 1944 as 1.Ostmuslemanische SS-Regiment. (Actually, the Reichsführer SS plans to expand it into a division, Muselmanischen SS-Division Neu-Turkestan, but the plan never realized.) This new formation formed form the Turkic units in the Heer that was disbanded, i.e., 450th, 480th, and I/94 Turkic battalions, plus some new recruits from German POW camps
Hope we will find what we are looking for
Thanks for a great answer!
Although I have some follow up questions! I know a bit about Warsaw Uprising and I'm interested in two of the stories you mentioned in this post.
1. Do you have more information about the German hospital/center for wounded that was recaptured by Poles on the 2ed August? I'm interested in which unit took this center, how many Germans/their collaborators where killed? What are your source and what are they using as their sources about this incident?
2. This incident seems to be the same that are mentioned in this post (http://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic.php?t=117043). We found out that the Azer unit that was stationed in the barracks at the Koszykowa street was Aserbeidschanische Infanterie Bataillon 818, is this true? Do you know how many Azeris where killed? What are your sources? Do you know which Polish unit attacked those barracks?
Do you know of other episodes when Polish troops murdered captured German or their collaborators soldiers?
By the way the Aserbeidschanische Feld Bataillon I./111 was part of the SS-sonderkommando Dirlewanger during the Warsaw Uprising. If I'm not wrong there is about 500-700 m from the Koszykowa street to Aleje Ujazdowskie.. RONA was moved to the Kampinos Forrest in the middle of the September 1944. Some days later they where attacked by an AK unit in Truskaw and suffered heavy loses.
Although I have some follow up questions! I know a bit about Warsaw Uprising and I'm interested in two of the stories you mentioned in this post.
1. Do you have more information about the German hospital/center for wounded that was recaptured by Poles on the 2ed August? I'm interested in which unit took this center, how many Germans/their collaborators where killed? What are your source and what are they using as their sources about this incident?
2. This incident seems to be the same that are mentioned in this post (http://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic.php?t=117043). We found out that the Azer unit that was stationed in the barracks at the Koszykowa street was Aserbeidschanische Infanterie Bataillon 818, is this true? Do you know how many Azeris where killed? What are your sources? Do you know which Polish unit attacked those barracks?
Do you know of other episodes when Polish troops murdered captured German or their collaborators soldiers?
By the way the Aserbeidschanische Feld Bataillon I./111 was part of the SS-sonderkommando Dirlewanger during the Warsaw Uprising. If I'm not wrong there is about 500-700 m from the Koszykowa street to Aleje Ujazdowskie.. RONA was moved to the Kampinos Forrest in the middle of the September 1944. Some days later they where attacked by an AK unit in Truskaw and suffered heavy loses.
clement: What is your Russian source?From the start of the fighting the Poles too took hardly any prisoners. Take, for example, the following incident. The main center for wounded, situated between Litewska and Koszykowa Street, was recaptured on 2nd August. All the inmates had been killed, in order to save ammunition, by having their throats cut. And on Koszykowa Street itself, the barracks of an Azerbaijan Legion fighting on the German side was stormed and captured after hours of bitter resistance--the defeated German auxiliaries had their throats cut. One who escaped hid for over twenty four hours in a broom-cupboard; then, stripped and clad only in his underpants, he fought his way over roof-tops, through back-yards and gardens to a German base in Aleji Ujasdowskie Street.
Russian source (very quick translation)
Michalst ,actually this source is not translated from russian but it comes from a polish source
http://www.poloniatoday.com/uprisingix.htm (english)
I am still working on 818 btl and I/III bataillons
we will meet soon on Axis forum
Later
http://www.poloniatoday.com/uprisingix.htm (english)
I am still working on 818 btl and I/III bataillons
we will meet soon on Axis forum
Later
The russian stuff was below "During the retreat of the German army etc "coming from http://militera.lib.ru/research/romanko_ov/index.html
Oleg Romanko is a russian specialist of Ottruppen
Another detail,Donmec is european writing .Donmac or Donmaq is preferable ,it means vigilant in Azeri
Oleg Romanko is a russian specialist of Ottruppen
Another detail,Donmec is european writing .Donmac or Donmaq is preferable ,it means vigilant in Azeri
Re:
It is probably impossible that Turkestaner Bataillon 786. was used to formation Ostmuselmanisches SS-Regiment 1. It was second Central Asian detachment next to Ostmuselmanisches SS-Regiment 1, but engaged in Kampinos - not Warsaw. There was partly destroyed by AK partisan - Marianow, apart from the skirmish in Truskaw, became the reason to carry out the "Bandenbekämpfung" in the Kampinos Forest (Unternehmen "Sternschuppe")
Bestreg Orlov
PS: Scan of doc from Archive IPN
Aserbeidschanische Feld Bataillon I./111. Infanterie Division was not a part, he was subordinate to Angriffsgruppe Dirlewanger.michalst wrote: ↑07 Mar 2007, 23:52[...] By the way the Aserbeidschanische Feld Bataillon I./111 was part of the SS-sonderkommando Dirlewanger during the Warsaw Uprising. If I'm not wrong there is about 500-700 m from the Koszykowa street to Aleje Ujazdowskie. RONA was moved to the Kampinos Forrest in the middle of the September 1944. Some days later they where attacked by an AK unit in Truskaw and suffered heavy loses.
"The losses of Kaminski's men ["Kaminskileute" or III/Rgt. RONA] in Truskaw – 10 dead and 6 wounded. Recorded casualties of the [«]bandits[»] – 20 dead.”
Scan of doc from Archive IPN