Eastern volunteers and their religion

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Re: Eastern volunteers and their religion

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Post by clement » 08 Feb 2016, 08:21

Arto O wrote:Grand Mufti of Jerusalem Haj Amin al-Husseini visiting Azerbaidjani volunteers.
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Interesting picture taken during the opening of the Islamic Central Institute Ma’ahad-ul-Islam in Berlin on 19 December 1942.
People on the left should be from Pakistan,soldier in the middle is from Azerbaijan
Link from youtube "1942 Opening of the Islamic Central Institute in Berlin by the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem " where you can see those people from pakistan and some Azeri Legionars
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dwWrIDW5QLA

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Re: Eastern volunteers and their religion

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Post by Dr Eisvogel » 05 Feb 2017, 16:47

Arto O wrote: Here a picture of supreme religious leader or Lama of Kalmuckische Kavallerie Korps. Not confirmed. Do somebody have any additional information. It would be highly appreciated.
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Dear Arto,

based on the caption of your photo I have found that Jamnin Sandji Umaldinov was baksha (head lama) of the Kalmyk Temple in Belgrade. He was born in 1882 and he died in 1946.

It seems that the photo was taken in 1944, when Buddhist scholar dr. Helmut Klar visited the temple.

According to Dr. Klar it was a group of about 700 Kalmyks. They fled from Belgrade in front of the Russian Army. They ended up in DP camps around Munich and later in the USA, Canada, France and Belgium.
http://kakono.tripod.com/klar.htm
http://kakono.tripod.com/mb2.htm
http://kakono.tripod.com/mb3.html

One more photo of baksha Umaldinov:
http://www.kalmyksrus.org/gallery/index ... 36826221_n

Article about Belgrade Kalmyks:
http://yoga-science.eu/wp-content/uploa ... ovic-e.pdf

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Re: Eastern volunteers and their religion

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Post by Dr Eisvogel » 05 Feb 2017, 17:01

Arto O wrote: A bishop of ROA. Please can somebody translate the text or tell something about him
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Dear Arto,

the caption says archimadrite Yov (Kundrya).

His name is after Biblical character Job.
https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Libro_de_Job

He was born in May of 1902 in the village of Iza near Hust in Trancarpathian Oblast of modern day Ukraine (Hungary until 1918, Czechoslovakia until 1939).

He spent years 1940-1942 imprisoned in Soviet camps at Kolyma in eastern Siberia. In 1942 he joined Czechoslovak Liberation Army of general Ludvik Svoboda, formed by the Soviets.

He died on July 28th 1985.

Source for his biography:
http://kuz1.pstbi.ccas.ru/bin/db.exe/en ... e8KWeCQd**

However, based on his biography, he could not have been in ROA, because he was always under Soviet control from 1939 until 1985.
Only, if biography is silent over his time in ROA, he could have been in it.

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Eisvogel

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Re: Eastern volunteers and their religion

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Post by Arto O » 09 Feb 2017, 01:34

Thanks a lot Dr Eisvogel,
for clearing my wrong information
with best regards
Arto

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Re: Eastern volunteers and their religion

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Re: Eastern volunteers and their religion

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Post by Hama » 27 Mar 2017, 21:00

I never heard about any Mari people serving in the German forces, but it was mentioned in the opening post. If it's true, then there's a chance some of them may have practiced Mari paganism, since that religion is still practiced by some of the population in Mari El today and is considered one of the longest continuous pagan religions in Europe. It was suppressed during Soviet times though so they probably would have had to practice in secret during their daily lives in the Soviet Union.

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Re: Eastern volunteers and their religion

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Post by Arto O » 04 Jan 2018, 04:24

Hi,
What is called this headdress? Do the stripes on the top have some meaning, hierachigal position? Is it still used and is it worlwide to muslim countries? The second photo seem to be in a occasion when grand-mufti of Jerusalem visited the Azerbaidjanis legion.
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Re: Eastern volunteers and their religion

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Post by GregSingh » 05 Jan 2018, 08:33

General name for Muslim prayer cap is Taqiyah.
But each ethnic/national group has its own name for it, among them topi and kufi seem to be most common.
Considering your photo is more than 70 years old and those seem to be "military style" caps, the name could be all together different.
Do we know which ethnic group those soldiers belonged to?

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Re: Eastern volunteers and their religion

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Post by Arto O » 06 Jan 2018, 02:56

Thanks Greg Singh and Hama,
For Hama, I cannot remember anymore why I add mari people in the map. Did It came from some book or did I add it, because Wolga-finnen where part of Idel-Ural legion. The origen or ancestors of finnish and maris are the same, and when one look pictures of Wolga-finnen legionaries, some look like many actual finnish people. Interesting the mention about mari paganism.

For Greg Singh, thanks for the name of the headdress. Except it is very confusing when reading about it in internet. Necessary to read more. I think nobody is really sure, but it seems that in the photo they are Tatars, maybe of Idel-Ural legion. As it mention about Taqiyah, turkistan people wore a turban over it, like one can see in photos about Ostturkisher Waffenverband der SS.They also wore SS runes collar patches in the late stage of war. In this photo the prayer seems to wear also SS runes, but never heard that Idel-Ural leginaries wore them.
Could these two photos be from same occasion?
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Arto
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