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- Daniel Laurent
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Hi, Askold,
Sorry, but I am quite sure that the two pix you posted show fake insignas, produced after the war.
- The collar tab, as far as I know and as far as veterans of the Charlemagne told me, never went more far than a project on drawings.
- The armshield looks like nothing known.
For the record, the armshield of the W-SS Sturmbrigade and the Charlemagne :
And the armshield of the French LVF (636 IR)
Sources :
Waffen-SS armshield : I got the pix from a veteran
LVF armshield : Magazine Batailles
Regards
Daniel
Sorry, but I am quite sure that the two pix you posted show fake insignas, produced after the war.
- The collar tab, as far as I know and as far as veterans of the Charlemagne told me, never went more far than a project on drawings.
- The armshield looks like nothing known.
For the record, the armshield of the W-SS Sturmbrigade and the Charlemagne :
And the armshield of the French LVF (636 IR)
Sources :
Waffen-SS armshield : I got the pix from a veteran
LVF armshield : Magazine Batailles
Regards
Daniel
Hi Daniel, the Waffen-SS Dachau shield that Askold posted IMO is original.
Also the arm-shield that you posted belongs to me and is posted in my web site: http://axis101.bizland.com/Charlemagne1.htm
V/R
Rene Chavez
Http://axis101.bizland.com
Also the arm-shield that you posted belongs to me and is posted in my web site: http://axis101.bizland.com/Charlemagne1.htm
V/R
Rene Chavez
Http://axis101.bizland.com
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Renech wrote:Hi Daniel, the Waffen-SS Dachau shield that Askold posted IMO is original.
Well, a representative of the CDVFFE (Association of the descendants of the French veterans of the Eastern Front) posted a long message in a French forum where he confirms that the collar tab was a project only and was never produced during the war (No time, remember that the Charlemagne was created end of 1944).
I can post the link if you wish, but it is in French.
I don't know if it belongs to you, the pix I posted, as mentionned, are, for the LVF armshield, an extract of an article in the Magazine Batailles and is labelled "Collection G. Le Marec - Drawings P.P. Lambert". The full page is 17,000 Kb, I can't post it here, but I can email it to anyone providing me with a valid email address by MP (Moderators welcome) and, for the W-SS armshield, a pix from my hard disk found in the Net. I visited your website, it is definitely not from there that I found it. So, someone else has been "stealing it" from you and posting it somewhere. It can be painfull to retrieve the origin, but if needed, I can try to find it back.Also the arm-shield that you posted belongs to me and is posted in my web site: http://axis101.bizland.com/Charlemagne1.htm
Hi Daniel, yes the collar tab was a project and I also believe that the item shown to be questionable but I'm talking about the arm-shield, which I believe is original.
Now concerning my sleeve eagle and arm-shield well it is definitely mine. I have it in my collection along with everything that is posted in my web site. If you wish I could post images of it with whatever items that are posted in my web site. Unfortunately who ever posted my item in the "Collection G. Le Marec - Drawings P.P. Lambert." did it without my permission. You will also find my item posted in Wikipedia under Charlemagne. This is very unfortunate because I provide a free educational service to historians and collectors and the idea that people are taking images of my items without my permission just makes me rethink if I should just remove my web site. You know if someone wants to post an item from my web site all I ask is to let me know or indicate the source, I'm not asking for much.
V/R
Rene Chavez
Http://axis101.bizland.com
Now concerning my sleeve eagle and arm-shield well it is definitely mine. I have it in my collection along with everything that is posted in my web site. If you wish I could post images of it with whatever items that are posted in my web site. Unfortunately who ever posted my item in the "Collection G. Le Marec - Drawings P.P. Lambert." did it without my permission. You will also find my item posted in Wikipedia under Charlemagne. This is very unfortunate because I provide a free educational service to historians and collectors and the idea that people are taking images of my items without my permission just makes me rethink if I should just remove my web site. You know if someone wants to post an item from my web site all I ask is to let me know or indicate the source, I'm not asking for much.
V/R
Rene Chavez
Http://axis101.bizland.com
Hello Daniel, I've been collecting insignia for some time and usually can tell whats good and bad In my opinion the items are original. If you care to examine the photos, you'll see French volunteers in SS wearing such shields. The shield you posted is that of French volunteers in Wehrmacht and not SS. As for the tab - some of the biggerst names in cloth collecting approve it as original sample item and I tend to agree with them - I don't even thing a fake version of such patch exists.
Rene:
Do you own a whole uniform or just a pice of sleeve with the eagle and the shield?
Rene:
Do you own a whole uniform or just a pice of sleeve with the eagle and the shield?
Hi Askold, it is a cut-off piece.....I wish it was the whole tunic!
V/R
Rene Chavez
Http://axis101.bizland.com
V/R
Rene Chavez
Http://axis101.bizland.com
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Number of French Soldiers Fighting for Germany
I have recently read that more French soldiers died fighting FOR the Third Reich than AGAINST the Third Reich. I am not really sure about this. I read in "The Third Reich" series by Time-Life that about 90,000 French soldiers fell during the May/June campaign of 1940. I hope my memory serves me correctly because that figure seems a bit high. So the number of French soldiers who died fighting on the side of the Reich would have to be at least slightly more that 90,000. Does anyone have any information on that?
Reichenberg 40
Reichenberg 40
That cannot possibly be correct. The Free French formations vastly outnumbered the paltry, few thousand-strong French volunteer formations who fought in the East (and that mainly in a rear area security role, if I remember correctly), in addition to which come the casualties in the 1940 campaign. Even if you factor in Alsatians conscripted into the German army, and add Vichy losses in NW Africa in 1942, I just don't see how that can work out.
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Mr. Laurent what you source for that numbers?
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Mr. Laurent what you source for that numbers?
Regards!
sorry i can't give you an exact source.
These numbers are very common i would say. (school,article,tv history programm, etc ...)
If they were false, a malgres-nous association would have rectify them, i guess.
I expected someone who know well this subject would provide precise details about them etc ...
These numbers are very common i would say. (school,article,tv history programm, etc ...)
If they were false, a malgres-nous association would have rectify them, i guess.
I expected someone who know well this subject would provide precise details about them etc ...