About my "classification" of the Telegraph as a tabloid :the article of the Telegraph is mentioning the following :
The Vichy government....................but MURDERED thousands of other indesirables including socialists,homosexuals and gypsies.
This is a 'tabloid' declaration :I have read a lot of serious historians,and no one have given any evidence that Vichy murdered socialists,homosexuals(a Vichy minister of education was a homosexual) or gypsies.Thus this is only BS.
Vichy was to feeble and to inefficient to murder thousands of people.
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At least 77,000 Jews were deported to their deaths from French transit camps between 1942 and the end of German occupation, in December 1944. Of these, around a third were French citizens and more than 8,000 were children under 13.
The plan to reveal the names of collaborators - many of whom have successfully covered up their wartime work - follows a dramatic ruling last year in France’s highest court, which found that Nazi officials did not force the French to betray their fellow citizens, and that anti-Semitic persecution was carried out willingly. ..As well as shedding new light on the work of the Gestapo across France, the files will illuminate the role of the Brigade Speciale, which tracked down resistance fighters and other enemies of the Nazi regime.
As long as democratic countries have laws, severely punishing any sound which can be interpreted as "denying, negotiating, comparing, trying to downlevel......" the famous event which later was named after a Hollywood-movie, it is a shame, dishonest and stupid from you to start any discussion about it. What do you expect as an answer? The only possible reply could be: "All you say is true because it is the law that it is true. Feel free to add a few millions, I will not discuss one single to be taken from the list."
It is also true that in France 10.000 so-called collaborators were lynched immediately after they were liberated. Then some harsh juridical procedures followed with draconjic jail sentences which alll where reversed later. Probably that can be re-installed if anybody once finds a law which declared "collaboration" to be a crime in that time. Do you have such a law one in your country in present? What you call criminal collaboration was "everyday" toleration and is explicitely defined in the Hague convention of land war from 1907 to be THE legal behaviour after an armistice or a capitulation which by the way does not protect partisans and franc-tireurs.
It is also the fact that all newspapers were forbidden by the liberators, because they allegedly collaborated too, and that the occupier didn't even have censorship on them (officially yes, practically no)..
It is also true but probably unknown that the armistice from 1940 regulated the occupation to be to the lowest possible extend and timely limited until the conflict with the UK would be "regulated".
Paris by the way was offered by the occupoying "regime" to be the capital of unoccupied France hosting the French government if desired and will be cleared by the occupier who guarantees that there will be no restrictions or obstacles to take it and work as a governement there. To my knowledg that city was abbandonned which led to the fact that the occupiers stayed there a little longer. Then later help came from far away, liberating the abandonned city and its people
What means this stereotype repetition mantra of "liberation", especially of Paris? Isn't it the case that this could have been achieved earlier and cheaper?
Wasn't it justified and much more intelligent to collaborate with the "power" holding nation? (Do all of the Afghanis or Irakis resist presently? )
What was it worth for to sacrifice oneself as a heroe? A free world in which law obeying citizens of a liberated country are lynched and discussions or even small critics on some details of history are a criminal offense??
The plan to reveal the names of collaborators - many of whom have successfully covered up their wartime work - follows a dramatic ruling last year in France’s highest court, which found that Nazi officials did not force the French to betray their fellow citizens, and that anti-Semitic persecution was carried out willingly. ..As well as shedding new light on the work of the Gestapo across France, the files will illuminate the role of the Brigade Speciale, which tracked down resistance fighters and other enemies of the Nazi regime.
As long as democratic countries have laws, severely punishing any sound which can be interpreted as "denying, negotiating, comparing, trying to downlevel......" the famous event which later was named after a Hollywood-movie, it is a shame, dishonest and stupid from you to start any discussion about it. What do you expect as an answer? The only possible reply could be: "All you say is true because it is the law that it is true. Feel free to add a few millions, I will not discuss one single to be taken from the list."
It is also true that in France 10.000 so-called collaborators were lynched immediately after they were liberated. Then some harsh juridical procedures followed with draconjic jail sentences which alll where reversed later. Probably that can be re-installed if anybody once finds a law which declared "collaboration" to be a crime in that time. Do you have such a law one in your country in present? What you call criminal collaboration was "everyday" toleration and is explicitely defined in the Hague convention of land war from 1907 to be THE legal behaviour after an armistice or a capitulation which by the way does not protect partisans and franc-tireurs.
It is also the fact that all newspapers were forbidden by the liberators, because they allegedly collaborated too, and that the occupier didn't even have censorship on them (officially yes, practically no)..
It is also true but probably unknown that the armistice from 1940 regulated the occupation to be to the lowest possible extend and timely limited until the conflict with the UK would be "regulated".
Paris by the way was offered by the occupoying "regime" to be the capital of unoccupied France hosting the French government if desired and will be cleared by the occupier who guarantees that there will be no restrictions or obstacles to take it and work as a governement there. To my knowledg that city was abbandonned which led to the fact that the occupiers stayed there a little longer. Then later help came from far away, liberating the abandonned city and its people
What means this stereotype repetition mantra of "liberation", especially of Paris? Isn't it the case that this could have been achieved earlier and cheaper?
Wasn't it justified and much more intelligent to collaborate with the "power" holding nation? (Do all of the Afghanis or Irakis resist presently? )
What was it worth for to sacrifice oneself as a heroe? A free world in which law obeying citizens of a liberated country are lynched and discussions or even small critics on some details of history are a criminal offense??
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Hi all -
Let's keep the discussion civil here. This can be a great thread if we stay friends.
Terms of archival research vary from country to country. Based on my own experience, I categorized several countries as follows:
"Fast movers": Australia, UK, USA
"Slow movers": France, Germany
"No movers": Russia (although this is changing), ***Vietnam*** (when it comes to swindling researchers and downright dishonesty, Vietnam is in a league of its own)
Conducting research at facilties such as NARA (USA) and the National Archives in Kew (UK) are usually pleasurable experiences. A researcher can see literally dozens of files during each research day. There are even extended days when the facilties are open late or on Saturdays. The process tends to be slower in France; for example, I was only able to see three cartons and make fifty photocopies per day at the SHAT in Chateau Vincennes.
Having said this, however, I must point out that when it comes to conducting research on crime, the rules change. Unlike the organizational-type records that most military historians request, criminal-type records identify victims, and thus the matter of privacy comes into play. For example, I recently completed some research on Vietnam-era crime in the U.S. military. Conducting research in American archives is normally easy, but when it came to obtaining CID reports of investigation, I had to submit Freedom of Information Act requests in every case and the documents I received were heavily redacted, despite the fact that the incidents occurred some forty years ago. The same appears to be true in the U.K.: when I requested a 1964 file regarding British army deserters from TNA in Kew, I was refused and the file was automatically re-classified for another ten years. Overall, I found that some of the "fast movers" were capable of moving rather slowly when it came to criminal-type files.
In France, sensitive files regarding crimes are also classified, but researchers can submit special "derogations" to review them. Back in 2004, I submitted a derogation to access some files on the Goums marocains that included criminal investigations and I was allowed to see every file I requested. Copying was not allowed, but I was permitted to take notes from each dossier.
The matter of publicly naming perpetrators of political and wartime crimes has been a major issue in several European countries. In Germany, whose Datenschutz law is quite strict, a recent court decision permitted the public naming of former MfS ("Stasi") informants. However, the BStU archive still redacts the names of their victims and third persons unless it can be proved that they have been dead for at least thirty years.
Has the French press reported on this issue? As for French historians, they have some very good ones (Jean-Christophe Notin is perhaps the best); I hope they will examine these files if and when they are released.
Best regards,
George
Let's keep the discussion civil here. This can be a great thread if we stay friends.
Terms of archival research vary from country to country. Based on my own experience, I categorized several countries as follows:
"Fast movers": Australia, UK, USA
"Slow movers": France, Germany
"No movers": Russia (although this is changing), ***Vietnam*** (when it comes to swindling researchers and downright dishonesty, Vietnam is in a league of its own)
Conducting research at facilties such as NARA (USA) and the National Archives in Kew (UK) are usually pleasurable experiences. A researcher can see literally dozens of files during each research day. There are even extended days when the facilties are open late or on Saturdays. The process tends to be slower in France; for example, I was only able to see three cartons and make fifty photocopies per day at the SHAT in Chateau Vincennes.
Having said this, however, I must point out that when it comes to conducting research on crime, the rules change. Unlike the organizational-type records that most military historians request, criminal-type records identify victims, and thus the matter of privacy comes into play. For example, I recently completed some research on Vietnam-era crime in the U.S. military. Conducting research in American archives is normally easy, but when it came to obtaining CID reports of investigation, I had to submit Freedom of Information Act requests in every case and the documents I received were heavily redacted, despite the fact that the incidents occurred some forty years ago. The same appears to be true in the U.K.: when I requested a 1964 file regarding British army deserters from TNA in Kew, I was refused and the file was automatically re-classified for another ten years. Overall, I found that some of the "fast movers" were capable of moving rather slowly when it came to criminal-type files.
In France, sensitive files regarding crimes are also classified, but researchers can submit special "derogations" to review them. Back in 2004, I submitted a derogation to access some files on the Goums marocains that included criminal investigations and I was allowed to see every file I requested. Copying was not allowed, but I was permitted to take notes from each dossier.
The matter of publicly naming perpetrators of political and wartime crimes has been a major issue in several European countries. In Germany, whose Datenschutz law is quite strict, a recent court decision permitted the public naming of former MfS ("Stasi") informants. However, the BStU archive still redacts the names of their victims and third persons unless it can be proved that they have been dead for at least thirty years.
Has the French press reported on this issue? As for French historians, they have some very good ones (Jean-Christophe Notin is perhaps the best); I hope they will examine these files if and when they are released.
Best regards,
George
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George Lepre wrote:Hi all -
Let's keep the discussion civil here. This can be a great thread if we stay friends.
Terms of archival research vary from country to country. Based on my own experience, I categorized several countries as follows:
"Fast movers": Australia, UK, USA
"Slow movers": France, Germany
"No movers": Russia (although this is changing), ***Vietnam*** (when it comes to swindling researchers and downright dishonesty, Vietnam is in a league of its own)
Conducting research at facilties such as NARA (USA) and the National Archives in Kew (UK) are usually pleasurable experiences. A researcher can see literally dozens of files during each research day. There are even extended days when the facilties are open late or on Saturdays. The process tends to be slower in France; for example, I was only able to see three cartons and make fifty photocopies per day at the SHAT in Chateau Vincennes.
Having said this, however, I must point out that when it comes to conducting research on crime, the rules change. Unlike the organizational-type records that most military historians request, criminal-type records identify victims, and thus the matter of privacy comes into play. For example, I recently completed some research on Vietnam-era crime in the U.S. military. Conducting research in American archives is normally easy, but when it came to obtaining CID reports of investigation, I had to submit Freedom of Information Act requests in every case and the documents I received were heavily redacted, despite the fact that the incidents occurred some forty years ago. The same appears to be true in the U.K.: when I requested a 1964 file regarding British army deserters from TNA in Kew, I was refused and the file was automatically re-classified for another ten years. Overall, I found that some of the "fast movers" were capable of moving rather slowly when it came to criminal-type files.
In France, sensitive files regarding crimes are also classified, but researchers can submit special "derogations" to review them. Back in 2004, I submitted a derogation to access some files on the Goums marocains that included criminal investigations and I was allowed to see every file I requested. Copying was not allowed, but I was permitted to take notes from each dossier.
The matter of publicly naming perpetrators of political and wartime crimes has been a major issue in several European countries. In Germany, whose Datenschutz law is quite strict, a recent court decision permitted the public naming of former MfS ("Stasi") informants. However, the BStU archive still redacts the names of their victims and third persons unless it can be proved that they have been dead for at least thirty years.
Has the French press reported on this issue? As for French historians, they have some very good ones (Jean-Christophe Notin is perhaps the best); I hope they will examine these files if and when they are released.
Best regards,
George
Hi George
Thanks for the insight regarding the access and restrictions of the national archives of the countries you mentioned.
For countries like Russian Federation there were so much secrecy although during the presidency of Boris Yeltsin, the restrictions of the Russian Federation archives (I think it's TsAMO) were partially lifted out permitting certain foreign researchers such as Antony Beevor (I think he was declared persona non grata in the archive centre of the Federation no thanks to his book, Berlin: The Downfall that caused huge controversy in Russia when it came out back in 2001) to research USSR/Russian archives.
Have you try the archives of the Baltic Countries such as Estonia, Latvia and Lithuania? I believed Latvia and Estonian national archives does not have restrictions when it comes to accessing archives and records of Soviet collaborators
Panzermahn
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I did not feel impugned by poster "ljadw". We just take opposite views. I was going to ask how he knows the exact nature of these denunciations. I am not personally interested in the denunciations per se, just how he knows what they contain.
There is an excellent book by Eric Johnson, "The Nazi Terror. The Gestapo, Jews and Ordinary Germans" (London, 2000) about denunciations received by the Gestapo office in Krefeld. Many thousands of "Ordinary Germans" denounced there fellow citizens, not just Jews, for any number of prohibitive things, as banal as listening to foreign radio stations. These denunciations can be found in the archives of the Nordrhein-Westfälisches Hauptsaatsarchiv, Düsseldorf, and open to researchers
No doubt the French denunciations will be just as banal, but that does not mean they should be kept secret.
Interesting information about SHAT at Vincennes. Two months later and I still wait a reply to my letter.
There is an excellent book by Eric Johnson, "The Nazi Terror. The Gestapo, Jews and Ordinary Germans" (London, 2000) about denunciations received by the Gestapo office in Krefeld. Many thousands of "Ordinary Germans" denounced there fellow citizens, not just Jews, for any number of prohibitive things, as banal as listening to foreign radio stations. These denunciations can be found in the archives of the Nordrhein-Westfälisches Hauptsaatsarchiv, Düsseldorf, and open to researchers
No doubt the French denunciations will be just as banal, but that does not mean they should be kept secret.
Interesting information about SHAT at Vincennes. Two months later and I still wait a reply to my letter.
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Well,I think that Spain has acted very good,when it proclaimed a general amnesty (after the death of Franco)for all crimes that occured from 1936 to 1975,and that judge Garzon was very wrong wanting to reopen all these cases .steve248 wrote:I did not feel impugned by poster "ljadw". We just take opposite views. I was going to ask how he knows the exact nature of these denunciations. I am not personally interested in the denunciations per se, just how he knows what they contain.
There is an excellent book by Eric Johnson, "The Nazi Terror. The Gestapo, Jews and Ordinary Germans" (London, 2000) about denunciations received by the Gestapo office in Krefeld. Many thousands of "Ordinary Germans" denounced there fellow citizens, not just Jews, for any number of prohibitive things, as banal as listening to foreign radio stations. These denunciations can be found in the archives of the Nordrhein-Westfälisches Hauptsaatsarchiv, Düsseldorf, and open to researchers
No doubt the French denunciations will be just as banal, but that does not mean they should be kept secret.
Interesting information about SHAT at Vincennes. Two months later and I still wait a reply to my letter.
Returning to France :born ,4 years after the war ,in Belgium,I have heard enough,to know,that amost all denunciations and persecutions during the war and at the liberation ,had as principal reasons passion (hatred ) and greed.I know the case of a teacher,who was denunciated to the Germans,by a colleague who wanted his job,and of a town-clerk who,at the liberation,was denunciated as a collaborator(what he wasn't) by a colleague,for the same reason .
And ,it was the same in France,but ,even worse .To make public all these cases,will not help us to have a better picture,but,will only open old wounds .The situation in Poland and the former East Germany is the same:if I am not wrong,these files are kept secret .We,not having endured the ordeals these people (in France,Germany,Poland,.....)have endured,have no right to judge them.I also find it unwise,that,after 9O years,the British government has 'nullified' the death sentences of the British soldiers,executed in WWI,and,that the British government has apologized for 'Bloody Sunday'(bad comparisons,I know,but I did not found immediately other ones,unless...the following:during the civil war in Ulster,there were a lot of sectarian killings,many of them caused by passion and greed:I think it would be very unwise to reopen these cases and to make public thhe names of the culprits).
Returning to France:some exemples of denunciations:
A university professor asked the arrest of a certain Arthur S.,hungarian jew,militant communist and principally ..lover of his wive.
R.discovered that his wife had a relation with the postman,she denunciated him,because he had conserved,illegally,a shot-gun .
To obtain the appartment of his mother,the son denunciated her (she had conserved a shot-gun in the loft).
I could continue,but it would only make known that war is taking the worst(and in some cases the best) out of mankind .
Source for the exemples :Henri Amouroux:La Grande histoire des Français sous l'occupation.Tome 5 :Les Passions et les haines.
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---Ce que sont devenus les criminels nazis
1)...Le sort de 1.386 criminels nazis, complices et collaborateurs The destiny of 1386 nazi criminals and accomplices A B C D E F G H I J K L M N O P Q...
..http://d-d.natanson.pagesperso-orange.fr/devenus.htm
2)<a href='http://www.encyclopedie.bseditions.fr/a ... ©portation en France, biographies…'>Déportation en France, biographies… (B&S Encyclopédie)</a>
3)http://casrom.free.fr/ryandescriptifsorts.htm
1)...Le sort de 1.386 criminels nazis, complices et collaborateurs The destiny of 1386 nazi criminals and accomplices A B C D E F G H I J K L M N O P Q...
..http://d-d.natanson.pagesperso-orange.fr/devenus.htm
2)<a href='http://www.encyclopedie.bseditions.fr/a ... ©portation en France, biographies…'>Déportation en France, biographies… (B&S Encyclopédie)</a>
3)http://casrom.free.fr/ryandescriptifsorts.htm
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Hmm, strange that only the so-called Nazi criminals and collaborators are named online? How about the communist criminals and collaborators?lebel wrote:---Ce que sont devenus les criminels nazis
1)...Le sort de 1.386 criminels nazis, complices et collaborateurs The destiny of 1386 nazi criminals and accomplices A B C D E F G H I J K L M N O P Q...
..http://d-d.natanson.pagesperso-orange.fr/devenus.htm
2)<a href='http://www.encyclopedie.bseditions.fr/a ... ©portation en France, biographies…'>Déportation en France, biographies… (B&S Encyclopédie)</a>
3)http://casrom.free.fr/ryandescriptifsorts.htm
I think from another viewpoint, de Gaulle could also be considered a collaborator since he collaborate with perfidious Albion against the legitimate Vichy government of Marshal Petain
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Hi , Panzermahn , here you 're againPanzermahn wrote:Hmm, strange that only the so-called Nazi criminals and collaborators are named online? How about the communist criminals and collaborators?lebel wrote:---Ce que sont devenus les criminels nazis
1)...Le sort de 1.386 criminels nazis, complices et collaborateurs The destiny of 1386 nazi criminals and accomplices A B C D E F G H I J K L M N O P Q...
..http://d-d.natanson.pagesperso-orange.fr/devenus.htm
2)<a href='http://www.encyclopedie.bseditions.fr/a ... ©portation en France, biographies…'>Déportation en France, biographies… (B&S Encyclopédie)</a>
3)http://casrom.free.fr/ryandescriptifsorts.htm
I think from another viewpoint, de Gaulle could also be considered a collaborator since he collaborate with perfidious Albion against the legitimate Vichy government of Marshal Petain
The word Colaboration , in his political regard , apply only to Vichy government and Petain , who were , in fact , auxiliaries and devoted to our german ennemy
De Gaulle who initiated Resistance , was an irreductible ennemy of Petain and Vichy , and joined England , first and USA and URSS , for a common fight against the common enemy
That was the Germans and their collaborators , responsible for deportation , torture and death of thousands of french !
And as for the " legitimate " government of Petain :
Petain , heroe of WWI , first beneficiated of strong support of french public opinion , he stopped the war !
As months went on , he still conserved Fleet and Empire but the measures of Vichy , made this regime more and more impopular
After November 42 , he had no more cards in hand , he was relegated as a puppet , only able to countersign Nazi's Diktats !
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Let's give it a rest, gents. The perceived merits and non-merits of Petain's government fall outside the purview of this section of the forum. Let's give it a rest for now.
George
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Hi Ustuf.33
The last rank I had for Abel Chapy is SS-Standarten-Oberjunker. Not sure if he was promoted to SS-Ustuf. after there were an incident (resulting in a court-martial) during his service with the 18. SS-Division "Horst Wessel" in Galicia.
By the way, isn't Christian de la Maziere an SS-Untersturmführer? However some sources questioned his final rank in the Waffen-SS (some said it's SS-Unterscharführer)
Not sure if you're aware of this book on French volunteers with Wehrmacht, Waffen-SS and other German paramilitary organizations. It is a bit expensive but from the contents, I think it would be on par with Robert Forbes' For Europe.
http://www.amazon.com/French-Who-Fought ... 451&sr=1-1
Panzermahn
The last rank I had for Abel Chapy is SS-Standarten-Oberjunker. Not sure if he was promoted to SS-Ustuf. after there were an incident (resulting in a court-martial) during his service with the 18. SS-Division "Horst Wessel" in Galicia.
By the way, isn't Christian de la Maziere an SS-Untersturmführer? However some sources questioned his final rank in the Waffen-SS (some said it's SS-Unterscharführer)
Not sure if you're aware of this book on French volunteers with Wehrmacht, Waffen-SS and other German paramilitary organizations. It is a bit expensive but from the contents, I think it would be on par with Robert Forbes' For Europe.
http://www.amazon.com/French-Who-Fought ... 451&sr=1-1
Panzermahn
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Chapy was promoted Ustuf until the end of the fights in Galicia, by an german officer. But he will be later jailed for his murder...
De La Mazière was NEVER officer (I am 100% sure about it!). He was Unterscharführer .
about the book you give link....I think that is not a very trusty book...probably not more better than Le Tisser or Trigg books about french...and these last were very bad...(sorry but it is the truth)
De La Mazière's book isn't very reliable... he was one of the first volunteers to speak about his story, so he takes some "liberty" with history....without thinking that in some years later, some historians (lile Jean Mabire, Eric Lefèvre, Robert Forbes) will write very good books about it...By the way, isn't Christian de la Maziere an SS-Untersturmführer? However some sources questioned his final rank in the Waffen SS (some said it's SS-Unterscharführer)
De La Mazière was NEVER officer (I am 100% sure about it!). He was Unterscharführer .
about the book you give link....I think that is not a very trusty book...probably not more better than Le Tisser or Trigg books about french...and these last were very bad...(sorry but it is the truth)
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Hi Ustuf.33
Thanks for your info on De La Mazière's rank. Yes, I agreed with your assessment on Le Tissier's and Jonathan Trigg's books on the French volunteers. Unfortunately Jean Mabire and Eric Lefevre books on LVF, Sturmbrigade and Charlemagne volunteers would never be translated to English
The story I had on Chapy is that during the Sturmbrigade battles in Galicia, he was tending to several heavily wounded French volunteers and German SS men. Chapy saw a transport commanded by a German officer loaded with food and other materials retreating. He asked the German officer if it possible to use the transport to carried his wounded comrades back to dressing station at the rear. The German officer refused and threatened Chapy and his comrades with court martial. After a while, Chapy and some of his French comrades took the German officer by force and shot him in the woods nearby. The French command of the Sturmbrigade and the divisional commander of the Horst Wessel division sympathized with Chapy's situation but a court martial convened by the Horst Wessel German officers sentenced Chapy to jail.
Panzermahn
Thanks for your info on De La Mazière's rank. Yes, I agreed with your assessment on Le Tissier's and Jonathan Trigg's books on the French volunteers. Unfortunately Jean Mabire and Eric Lefevre books on LVF, Sturmbrigade and Charlemagne volunteers would never be translated to English
The story I had on Chapy is that during the Sturmbrigade battles in Galicia, he was tending to several heavily wounded French volunteers and German SS men. Chapy saw a transport commanded by a German officer loaded with food and other materials retreating. He asked the German officer if it possible to use the transport to carried his wounded comrades back to dressing station at the rear. The German officer refused and threatened Chapy and his comrades with court martial. After a while, Chapy and some of his French comrades took the German officer by force and shot him in the woods nearby. The French command of the Sturmbrigade and the divisional commander of the Horst Wessel division sympathized with Chapy's situation but a court martial convened by the Horst Wessel German officers sentenced Chapy to jail.
Panzermahn
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yes that is almost the story... but it was a NCO (alsatian), called Egl (or "Egle" in some sources)