Foreign Volunteers during the Battle of Berlin, 1945

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Post by Allen Milcic » 17 Mar 2005, 18:35

Panzermahn wrote: Hi Allen,

Thanks for the interesting info..General Dragicevic was the only Croatian survivor of the 100+ Croatian security detachment who fought at Berlin....Those Croatian soldiers were certainly true to their Za Dom Spremni ideal in the final conflagaration in Berlin
Panzermahn:

Dragicevic is the only known survivor - there may have been others, but since their importance in the grand scheme of things was minimal, they may never have been noted.

As for their deaths for "za dom spremni" - perhaps for a handful of the Ustase from the Poglavnik Bodyguard, but the members of the Domobranstvo were conscripts that, I'm sure, had plans for their lives that did not involve dying in vain for a lost and evil cause. It is unfortunate that they were put in a position where they felt their deaths were probably unavoidable, and decided to die with honour, but I highly doubt that dying for Pavelic and the Ustasa movement was their intention.

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Post by Armenische_Legionar » 17 Mar 2005, 21:25

Hi everybody!

I find a new info about Armenians which was partisipated in this battle.
After the fall of Berlin 34 Armenian POW's was shooted in 16th of may 1945... near the capital. :cry:

From KGB Archive/// :|

that's all in this time...

All the best,
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Post by Annelie » 17 Mar 2005, 22:28

Armenische_Legionar
From KGB Archive///

Interesting, but is the KGB Archive open to the public now?
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Post by Allen Milcic » 17 Mar 2005, 22:47

Armenische_Legionar wrote:Hi everybody!

I find a new info about Armenians which was partisipated in this battle.
After the fall of Berlin 34 Armenian POW's was shooted in 16th of may 1945... near the capital. :cry:

From KGB Archive/// :|

that's all in this time...

All the best,
Eduard Abrahamyan
Eduard:

Could you please quote the document in the "KGB Archive" where you are locating this information, and on what basis you are allowed access to this documentation. Thank you.

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Post by Panzermahn » 18 Mar 2005, 09:57

Armenische_Legionar wrote:Hi everybody!

I find a new info about Armenians which was partisipated in this battle.
After the fall of Berlin 34 Armenian POW's was shooted in 16th of may 1945... near the capital. :cry:

From KGB Archive/// :|

that's all in this time...

All the best,
Eduard Abrahamyan
Hi Eduard,

THis is interesting!!! DO you had any more info for this?

I sent you a PM
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Post by Panzermahn » 18 Mar 2005, 10:06

As for their deaths for "za dom spremni" - perhaps for a handful of the Ustase from the Poglavnik Bodyguard, but the members of the Domobranstvo were conscripts that, I'm sure, had plans for their lives that did not involve dying in vain for a lost and evil cause. It is unfortunate that they were put in a position where they felt their deaths were probably unavoidable, and decided to die with honour, but I highly doubt that dying for Pavelic and the Ustasa movement was their intention.

Allen/
Most of the Croatians are nationalists and for Za Dom Spremni during the 1991-1995 Bosnian War...

Off-topic - i would have gone to volunteer for the Croatian forces during the Bosnian War if i'm not too young at that time (still in secondary school) :)
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Post by Martin Månsson » 18 Mar 2005, 10:52

Surprised that none has mentioned SS-Standarte Kurt Eggers as of yet.........

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Post by Allen Milcic » 18 Mar 2005, 20:19

Panzermahn wrote:
Most of the Croatians are nationalists and for Za Dom Spremni during the 1991-1995 Bosnian War...

Off-topic - i would have gone to volunteer for the Croatian forces during the Bosnian War if i'm not too young at that time (still in secondary school) :)
Panzermahn:

Aside from the fact that this has nothing whatsoever to do with the battle for Berlin, it is also completely incorrect. Stay on topic and kindly don't make conclusions when you obviously are not privy to proper information.

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hi

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Post by Armenische_Legionar » 18 Mar 2005, 22:12

Annelie wrote:Armenische_Legionar
From KGB Archive///

Interesting, but is the KGB Archive open to the public now?
Unfortunatelly not for all...
I was entered thouse archive just after the statements and applications.
Was met with some chief's of this structure.
than they let me to research in thouse archive. That docs is under "Top Secret"

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Post by Armenische_Legionar » 18 Mar 2005, 22:20

Allen Milcic wrote:
Armenische_Legionar wrote:Hi everybody!

I find a new info about Armenians which was partisipated in this battle.
After the fall of Berlin 34 Armenian POW's was shooted in 16th of may 1945... near the capital. :cry:

From KGB Archive/// :|

that's all in this time...

All the best,
Eduard Abrahamyan
Eduard:

Could you please quote the document in the "KGB Archive" where you are locating this information, and on what basis you are allowed access to this documentation. Thank you.

Allen/
Hi Allen

From the fonds and Documents of spays, mostly under the "Top Sec."...
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Post by Armenische_Legionar » 18 Mar 2005, 22:58

Panzermahn wrote:
As for their deaths for "za dom spremni" - perhaps for a handful of the Ustase from the Poglavnik Bodyguard, but the members of the Domobranstvo were conscripts that, I'm sure, had plans for their lives that did not involve dying in vain for a lost and evil cause. It is unfortunate that they were put in a position where they felt their deaths were probably unavoidable, and decided to die with honour, but I highly doubt that dying for Pavelic and the Ustasa movement was their intention.

Allen/
Most of the Croatians are nationalists and for Za Dom Spremni during the 1991-1995 Bosnian War...

Off-topic - i would have gone to volunteer for the Croatian forces during the Bosnian War if i'm not too young at that time (still in secondary school) :)

I know an incident - when the Soviet partisans was put some legioners on stake - pike! there were all killed.
I'll find who they was and in where.

Joachim are you Hrwatska? :) em I right? :)
I would have gone to volunteer for the Armenian forces too, during the Karabagh war, but Unfortunately or in happy, was in school too. :)

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Post by Allen Milcic » 19 Mar 2005, 00:03

Armenische_Legionar wrote:
Hi Allen

From the fonds and Documents of spays, mostly under the "Top Sec."...
Eduard:

I mean which documents, prepared by whom, their identification numbers in the archives, their original source etc. Also, on what basis you have been permitted to review these documents and on whose authority. Thank you.

By the way, Panzermahn is not from Croatia (Hrvatska), he is from Malaysia.

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Post by Bjørn from Norway » 19 Mar 2005, 15:00

Master list of foreign volunteers fighting in the Battle of Berlin

a) Confirmed participation
1) Frenchmen (350 soldiers from the 33rd Waffen Grenadier Division Charlemagne led by Brigadefuhrer Krukenberg)
2) Danes (24th SS Regiment Danmark from the Nordland division - formed from the former personnel of Freikorps Danmark - led by Per Sorenson)
3) Swedes (3rd kompanie, auflakrung abteilung of the Nordland Division - Schwedenzug - led by Hano Gosta Pehrsson)
4) Spaniards (150 men, from Einsatzgruppe Ezquerra - led by Miguel Sanchez Ezquerra)
5) Hungarian (one Hungarian company...)
6) Romanian
7) Latvians (15th Fusilier Battalion - Obersturmfuhrer Neilandis)
8) Estonian (remnants from the 20th SS Estonian division)

b)alleged participation
1) A Russian battalion (Siberians & Tibetans?)
2) Georgians
3) Armenians
4) Azeris
5) Caucasians
6) Italian
There were about 50 Norwegians left in 23. "Norge".
About the Spaniards: are there any evidence that they really were there?

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Post by Panzermahn » 20 Mar 2005, 09:02

There were about 50 Norwegians left in 23. "Norge".
About the Spaniards: are there any evidence that they really were there?
Thank you for the info on the Norwegians.

Yes, it is a fact that the Spanish volunteers (Einsatzgruppe Ezquerra) fought in the Battle of Berlin

Please go to http://www.axiseuropa.com and look for the book True Believers: Spanish Volunteers in the Heer and Waffen SS 1944-1945.

I owned a copy of it and to this date, the most comprehensive research in English language on the fate of the Spanish volunteers during the Battle of Berlin.
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Post by Panzermahn » 20 Mar 2005, 09:22

Master list of foreign volunteers fighting in the Battle of Berlin

a) Confirmed participation
1) Frenchmen (350 soldiers from the 33rd Waffen Grenadier Division Charlemagne led by Brigadefuhrer Krukenberg)
2) Danes (24th SS Regiment Danmark from the Nordland division - formed from the former personnel of Freikorps Danmark - led by Per Sorenson)
3) Swedes (3rd kompanie, auflakrung abteilung of the Nordland Division - Schwedenzug - led by Hano Gosta Pehrsson)
4) Spaniards (150 men, from Einsatzgruppe Ezquerra - led by Miguel Sanchez Ezquerra)
5) Hungarian (one Hungarian company...)
6) Romanian
7) Latvians (15th Fusilier Battalion - Obersturmfuhrer Neilandis)
8) Estonian (remnants from the 20th SS Estonian division)
9) Croatians (A detachment of Poglavnik Bodyguard and Domobranstvo flak unit of the NDH embassy)
10) Norwegians (50 Norwegians from the "Norge" regiment)

b)alleged participation
1) A Russian battalion (Siberians & Tibetans?)
2) Georgians
3) Armenians
4) Azeris
5) Caucasians
6) Italian


Anyone can add more?
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