Ukrainians in the Waffen-SS & Wehrmacht
Re: Photos of 14 SS Galicia Division
Not Freitag, but SS-Brigadeführer Karl Reichsritter von Oberkamp, an ex-commander of Prinz Eugen Division
Re: Photos of 14 SS Galicia Division
Hello,
I was wondering if this photo has been flipped? Or is the decal really on the right side of the helmet?:
Also, my friends and I are starting a 14th SS reenactment unit in the US midwest. I was wondering if anyone knows where I can find reproduction sleeve shields?
Best regards,
Josh
I was wondering if this photo has been flipped? Or is the decal really on the right side of the helmet?:
Also, my friends and I are starting a 14th SS reenactment unit in the US midwest. I was wondering if anyone knows where I can find reproduction sleeve shields?
Best regards,
Josh
Re: 14th Waffen Grenadier Division ~ "Galician" or Ukrainian?
Source?Rob - wssob2 wrote: "Hey, after we destroy your land, wreck your economy, kill hundreds of thousands of your civilians in cold blood, deport millions more to serve as slave laborers in our war industries, how about you raise some troops for us to beat Communism and then after the war maybe we'll talk about granting you independence?"
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Re: 14th Waffen Grenadier Division ~ "Galician" or Ukrainian?
Are you questioning that thousands upon thousands of Ukrainians were killed by the Nazis?Source?
Re: 14th Waffen Grenadier Division ~ "Galician" or Ukrainian?
Rob - wssob2 wrote:Are you questioning that thousands upon thousands of Ukrainians were killed by the Nazis?Source?
I guess so.
Where can I read about this?
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Re: 14th Waffen Grenadier Division ~ "Galician" or Ukrainian?
Hi Escapeh,
One problem is that the Ukraine was then either Polish or Soviet and didn't publish its own histories.
However, for the Polish side, there is a publication listing all the villages in the country that were victims of mass reprisal actions by the Germans, with total fatality figures running into the tens of thousands. One could probably extract the Ukrainian-populated villages in Galicia if one got a copy. I have mentioned it elsewhere on AHF.
For the Soviet Ukraine (which had 80+% of the Ukrainian population) one might try Alexander Dallin's work (for the Rand Corporation?) from the 1950s. It goes into some detail about how the Germans administered (or maladministered) the Ukraine.
Whereas in Western Europe massacres were relatively rare, and therefore were deeply investigated on an individual basis after the war, they were apparently far more common during the ethnic and ideological war in the East. Thus there does not seem to be such detailed accounting of individual instances there.
I have no figures for ethnic Ukrainian civilian victims, but "hundreds of thousands" does not seem implausible.
Cheers,
Sid.
One problem is that the Ukraine was then either Polish or Soviet and didn't publish its own histories.
However, for the Polish side, there is a publication listing all the villages in the country that were victims of mass reprisal actions by the Germans, with total fatality figures running into the tens of thousands. One could probably extract the Ukrainian-populated villages in Galicia if one got a copy. I have mentioned it elsewhere on AHF.
For the Soviet Ukraine (which had 80+% of the Ukrainian population) one might try Alexander Dallin's work (for the Rand Corporation?) from the 1950s. It goes into some detail about how the Germans administered (or maladministered) the Ukraine.
Whereas in Western Europe massacres were relatively rare, and therefore were deeply investigated on an individual basis after the war, they were apparently far more common during the ethnic and ideological war in the East. Thus there does not seem to be such detailed accounting of individual instances there.
I have no figures for ethnic Ukrainian civilian victims, but "hundreds of thousands" does not seem implausible.
Cheers,
Sid.
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Re: 14th Waffen Grenadier Division ~ "Galician" or Ukrainian?
Hi escapeh,
The Polish volume I referred to above is:
“HITLEROWSKI TERROR NA WSI POLSKIEJ 1939-1945” (PWN, Warszawa 1965).
It lists 769 village massacres by Germans.
Cheers,
Sid.
The Polish volume I referred to above is:
“HITLEROWSKI TERROR NA WSI POLSKIEJ 1939-1945” (PWN, Warszawa 1965).
It lists 769 village massacres by Germans.
Cheers,
Sid.
Re: Photos of 14 SS Galicia Division
Few more photos from a new photo album that was published last year, I am posting just few but still very interesting photos:
Ukrainian version of the classic SS poster (what a great find, I never seen such variation!)
The train with the volunteers - note the Trident emblem
More Trident emblems
Note the use of camo zelts:
Bresslau, NCO school candidates:
SS school in Arolsen, note that everyone is wearing SS runes:
More NCO's
NCO Nachrichten school in Alsatz-Lorraine (photo from the book "Dyvizija Halychyna v Pytanniah i Vidpovidiah"
With Ukrainian Flak-helpers. Note the girl is wearing a standard Luft eagle instead of the national insignia:
1947 Hunger stirike in POW camp in Sheffild England. The soldiers would hang a black flag as a sign of protest. Each day the British would take the flag down but there would be a new one hanging the next day.
Ukrainian version of the classic SS poster (what a great find, I never seen such variation!)
The train with the volunteers - note the Trident emblem
More Trident emblems
Note the use of camo zelts:
Bresslau, NCO school candidates:
SS school in Arolsen, note that everyone is wearing SS runes:
More NCO's
NCO Nachrichten school in Alsatz-Lorraine (photo from the book "Dyvizija Halychyna v Pytanniah i Vidpovidiah"
With Ukrainian Flak-helpers. Note the girl is wearing a standard Luft eagle instead of the national insignia:
1947 Hunger stirike in POW camp in Sheffild England. The soldiers would hang a black flag as a sign of protest. Each day the British would take the flag down but there would be a new one hanging the next day.
Re: Photos of 14 SS Galicia Division
St. Stefan, Steiermark
http://www.moosburg.org/info/stalag/bil ... ark113.jpg
http://www.moosburg.org/info/stalag/bil ... ark109.jpg
Bad Gleichenberg, Steiermark
http://www.moosburg.org/info/stalag/bil ... ark120.jpg
old "Pfarrkirche", Feldbach, Steiermark
http://www.moosburg.org/info/stalag/bil ... ark124.jpg
Feldbach, Steiermark
http://www.moosburg.org/info/stalag/bil ... ark129.jpg
http://www.moosburg.org/info/stalag/bil ... ark113.jpg
http://www.moosburg.org/info/stalag/bil ... ark109.jpg
Bad Gleichenberg, Steiermark
http://www.moosburg.org/info/stalag/bil ... ark120.jpg
old "Pfarrkirche", Feldbach, Steiermark
http://www.moosburg.org/info/stalag/bil ... ark124.jpg
Feldbach, Steiermark
http://www.moosburg.org/info/stalag/bil ... ark129.jpg
Re: Photos of 14 SS Galicia Division
Thanks for the links.
Re: Photos of 14 SS Galicia Division
SS-Document: "Aufstellung der Galizischen SS-Freiwilligen-Regimenter 4.und 5."
http://www.moosburg.org/info/stalag/bil ... 12fz60.jpg
http://www.moosburg.org/info/stalag/bil ... 12fz61.jpg
http://www.moosburg.org/info/stalag/bil ... 12fz62.jpg
http://www.moosburg.org/info/stalag/bil ... 12fz60.jpg
http://www.moosburg.org/info/stalag/bil ... 12fz61.jpg
http://www.moosburg.org/info/stalag/bil ... 12fz62.jpg
Re: Photos of 14 SS Galicia Division
Galician Memorials ???
Memorial Metz, France
http://www.moosburg.org/info/stalag/bil ... 12fz77.jpg
http://www.moosburg.org/info/stalag/bil ... 12fz78.jpg
Memorial Boulay/Moselle, France
http://www.moosburg.org/info/stalag/bil ... 12fz17.jpg
http://www.moosburg.org/info/stalag/bil ... 12fz18.jpg
Memorial Ban-Saint-Jean, Denting, France
http://www.moosburg.org/info/stalag/bil ... 12fz08.jpg
Memorial Metz, France
http://www.moosburg.org/info/stalag/bil ... 12fz77.jpg
http://www.moosburg.org/info/stalag/bil ... 12fz78.jpg
Memorial Boulay/Moselle, France
http://www.moosburg.org/info/stalag/bil ... 12fz17.jpg
http://www.moosburg.org/info/stalag/bil ... 12fz18.jpg
Memorial Ban-Saint-Jean, Denting, France
http://www.moosburg.org/info/stalag/bil ... 12fz08.jpg
Re: Photos of 14 SS Galicia Division
No, it is not. It is memorial for ukrainian community in France.Hilgert wrote:Galician Memorials ???
Re: Photos of 14 SS Galicia Division
Who has any informations about the camp Ban-Saint-Jean?
http://www.kyrylo.com/index.php?id=71&L=2
http://www.moosburg.org/info/stalag/bil ... 12fz74.jpg
http://www.moosburg.org/info/stalag/bil ... 12fz72.jpg
http://www.moosburg.org/info/stalag/bil ... 12fz73.jpg
http://www.kyrylo.com/index.php?id=71&L=2
http://www.moosburg.org/info/stalag/bil ... 12fz74.jpg
http://www.moosburg.org/info/stalag/bil ... 12fz72.jpg
http://www.moosburg.org/info/stalag/bil ... 12fz73.jpg