the white bird's engine

[the blindbowman]

i hope some of you can help me out ! i am QM navy speacial ops . i am trying to find pictures of the 1927 white bird engine ... as many pictures and details as i can find ..

a few years ago i was hunting in stlawrnce county new york . miles from the nearest road . i set down to rest and noted the dirt mond i was setting on was a engine of some kind i had not seen before ...

after some hard work i take note that the white bird may not have changed corse at belle Isle and remained on its acr of heading and made a crash landing 1080 mile from belle Isle and did not make the 1100 mile trip to new york city .. IMHO he was trying to land on lake ontario and misteakenly thaught black lake was lake ontario . after trying to land and finding out it was not lake ontario i beleive he tryed to circle to try to make a secound landing , he never made the full circle ...


so i am trying to relocate the engine and id it .. is this the white bird . i do not know yet . but yes it could be ....

so if any of you have picture of the white bird's engine i would very much like to see them for my research to ID the engine i found ...

after some search i found that one of the white bird's landing site was in fact Quebec ,,...i find it funny that if the white bird was spoted over northern maine this can only mean the white bird did not turn south to Ny.. after reading the reports that came in i noted that the flight had been reported to crash in 3 diffrent places . it's just a theory but IMHO they were dumping weight to lighten the load to make a landing at lake ontario..this would explan the 3 diffrent times people beleive they herd the plane crash ...

i will be looking for other sightings of a plane on may 9th in the northern new york area of st lawrnce county....

i beleive they knew there was heavy fog and tryed to make it to lake ontario because of its size ,giveing them the best chance for a safe landing ...

if i am right this would explan why they herd the plane over the north eastern part of maine . i was Quarter master halmsmen in the navy . you see 22-25 mile to the horizon...this would make me think he was keeping the st lawrnce river 20 miles off his starboard side make the planes path 20 south of the st lawrnce and running parallel with the river , this would let him spot the river easy threw the right side windows of the plane . if he flew over the river it would make it hard to spot ..

so logic would tell us he kept 20-22 miles south of the st lawrnce river...that funny thats how far away the engine i found is from the st lawrnce river ......i will keep looking ... i guess we could make a judgement of how much weight they could throw out of the plane and then see how far that would get them . we know that logic says they made it to northern maine . so some where bettwen a point 20-22 miles south of the st lawrnce river over north eastern maine to lake ontario is where this plane crashed ...

[John G.]

The local TV Station here in Maine (WCSN Portland Channel 6 NBC) did a documentary-like show about this famous flight and mystery and they may be able to help. It was several years ago when it aired. Hope this helps...
John G.
Mainemilitaria

[the blindbowman]

thank you i have not seen that documentary . i guess it did not air here ...or i missed it ... but even if the engine i found is not the white bird the theories i have uncoverd may help find the white bird where ever it is resting . i was a skilled Quarter Master i was the special ops healsman for the flag ship of the 6 fleet ...i was the healsman in and out of 154 port of calls world wide .. i dont know of anyone with my skills ...there must be a few out there somewhere but this may be a new way of uncovering clues as to the where abouts of the white bird ... Master Healsman dont fall out of trees ...LOL and the best & most gifted in the Navy are placed on the flag ship or lead pionts . i sense set & drift like most breath air ...

i thank you again for your infomation, maybe i can locate a copy of that documentary....

[Laurence Strong]

What is a "healsman"?

[ChristopherPerrien]

Helmsman.


BlindBowman-

plane -

A Levasseur PL-8, an open-cockpit biplane, powered by a 450 horsepower Lorraine-Dietrich 12 cylinder engine,

http://www.check-six.com/lib/Famous_Missing/White_Bird.htm

engine imageshttp://images.google.com/images?um=1&tab=wi&ie=UTF-8&rlz=1T4ADBS_en___US204&q=Lorraine-Dietrich%2012%20cylinder%20!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
engine search pagehttp://www.google.com/search?sourceid=navclient&ie=UTF-8&rlz=1T4ADBS_en___US204&q=Lorraine%2dDietrich+12+cylinder+

Good Luck, and if you find it again and it turns out to be the White bird, Please give me a mention, I have been looking for a way to get NUMA's attention on another matter.

Chris

[Laurence Strong]

I figured that....was curious why such a senior member of the " QM navy speacial ops " has the spelling, and grammatical skills of a grade 6 student.

[ChristopherPerrien]

Not an issue, English and typing were never my strongpoints either.

[Laurence Strong]

It was just an observation. Guess you train your Sr NCOs to adifferent standard than we do.

[the blindbowman]

in 1999 a peice of a compound bow broke and got caught in the string and came back and struck me in the left temple at over 200 FPS , i was total blind for 3 months and it took them 3 years to get me stable again . it took me the next 2 years to teach my self to talk and walk again ... so my spelling and gramer it not going to get much better . but i can think with the best ... i was test ...on a scale of 1 to 100 . i scored 107 .. IQ unknown ... i am a creative artistic with autistic tendences ,a boardline savant ...i have been a recluse for over 19 years ....

[Laurence Strong]

My apologies.

[the blindbowman]

no harm done , i get the same thing most of the time , ....but i am alive

[Sirryan3@gmail.com]

Hello. I'm a diver and me and my group are very interested in your find. Could whatever happened to the engine. Has it been removed?

[the blindbowman]

good question no it was not located again . its still in that area .. .i tried two or three times to locate it but never found it again it was covered with a big mound of dirt where it hit the ground and slid up to the roots of a down tree . i went threw that area and took pictures of all the down trees and started looking at each one , one at time . it was just to much for one person .. i know its there .. there somewhere in that area .. i only hunted in that area ... and this is in line with the flight of the white bird .. i think what everyone herd in Maine was them throwing out weight . they must not have known they were over land yet and started throwing out weight . with the sound of the engines they would not have herd the weight objects hitting the ground below . they keep going till they ran out of gas .. but the real question is this the real white bird , the engine would be the only thing left by now ..

i would be glad to have any help ..\


until this engine is found and we know one way or the other ,this could in fact be the white bird ..

few people live in this area at the time of the white bird flight . it may not have been seen by anyone or very few that even knew what it was ...this area gets a lot of fog and if it was foggy that morning . anyone that had herd it may have just thought it was a truck of car on the road ..

we are only a few hundred miles directly southwest of where they herd the white bird that morning in the same path of flight ....the pipes on this engine were not like car or truck or tractor pipes .. they were cut off at a 45 degree angle , i have never seen anything like them . but i never worked on old planes ether ..

even the chance this could be the white bird is worth the effort to relocate it ... some day before i die i will find this engine if it takes me 10 years to find it ...

[Sirryan3@gmail.com]

Could you email me? sirryan3@gmail.com. I have something to send you.