Yes, of course. I should have known "that Z". (For some reason (= tired?) I was only thinking of German "zwilling" MGs/guns... )Juha Tompuri wrote:I think you have.Harri wrote:Never heard of designation "75-Z"
The map (most probably) is from the book: Rannikkotykistörykmentti 3 toimi täällä - Pohjoisen Laatokan maisemia vuonna 2001 by Erkki Marttila. http://www.geocities.com/finnmilpge/fmp_sources.html
75-Z (Z = Zenit = AAA), Zenit, Zenit-Meller and MI (I = ilmatorjunta = AA) designations AFAIK all indicate the same type of gun. All designations being pre-War era.
To make things clear during the WW II there were three basic types: 75/50 C (original Canet or licence made by Obuhov with three different mounts: Me or Met, M or MI [= Meller / AA version], ML [= Meller naval mount]), 75/50 O (Obuhov made naval gun version) and 75/50 OH (Obuhov made naval version with a howitzer mount). At the end of the Continuation War Finnish Navy had ten 75 mm Canet (most likely O and OH) guns. Like we have seen there were numerous ways to indicate the basically same guns and their mounts. I think "ML" mount was not used by the Coastal Defence, so all of their models were with "M" (= MI) mount. Actually my Internet page on Finnish coastal guns should be correct in these.
You are absolutely right, unless it means something else? The post war guns was 75/55 CR not "50". With 152 mm Canet guns "CR" means a high coastal mount. Maybe a comparable mount was used also with 75 mm Canet guns? Ove Enqvist although don't mention such designation/mount with the 75 mm Canet. In this case "the most safe" designation is perhaps 75/50 C (which is the "basic designation").Juha Tompuri wrote:AFAIK the CR designation is a post-War era. During the wars (and before ?) the R ( Rannikko = Coastal) wasn't (officially) used.Harri wrote: In my files South Battery of Konevitsa Fort had 2 - 75/50 CR.
This designation is from Olavi Väliaho's two books on Winter War. Maybe I have too much relied on Väliaho as a reliable source without cross-checking because I have noticed his books although contain lots of information contain also lots of spelling and printing errors. Also my Internet page on these is originally an old one which I'm going to update in the near future.
OK. There is another similar example on the western Karelian Isthmus: Puumola/Puumala.Juha Tompuri wrote:I've seen all of them being used.Harri wrote:Also is it Murikko or Murikka? In my files there is also an alternate name Murikanlahti. (Could be also my mistake...)
See above. I think all such guns used by the Coastal Defence on Lake Ladoga were with Meller AA mounts. The number is I think based on Väliaho (but could be a stupid mistake in my notes/page). My notes don't include any additional information on these guns or variations in their number. This should be checked from otherl sources.Juha Tompuri wrote:What's your source for three guns? Not all 75/50 M mounts were AA mounts.Harri wrote:There should be 3 - 75/50 M (M = Meller [mount], AA version of 75/50 O).
This is a "battery" (really!) which protected Mine Detachment at Kivisalmi Harbour.Juha Tompuri wrote:An AA mount, yes.Harri wrote:At Kivisalmi Harbour 1 - 75/50 M
Actually only "movable"...Juha Tompuri wrote:Movable, yes.Harri wrote:At Kurkijoki (Kurkiniemi) was a movable battery of 2 - 152 K/04
Väliaho mentions in his book "Laatokan puolustajat" [Defenders of Lake Ladoga] on page 119:Juha Tompuri wrote:The 75mm gun "range circle" is there at the map, the gun designation is missing.Harri wrote:Kelppä Fort guns missing: 2 - 120/45 C, 2 - 75/50 CR
When the 120mm guns became operational? The guns were there (at boats?). At Arimo book there is no mention of them at the list of guns there on 10th Nov-39
There is no mentions where they mounted on the mentioned barge(s) or when guns were mounted and combat ready but it may have happened before the start of the Winter War (there was enough time left). Like you said the guns were there anyway. Does anyone else have some piece of information on these guns?"On 21.10.[1939] gunboat Vapaus carried two five inch guns (120/45 Canet) to the fort. Guns were at first reserved for gun barges. ... A new battery is formed for the fort."