Knouterer...
I'm begining to think you're being deliberately obtuse Phylo - the "12 heavy howitzers" are the division's own (horse-drawn )battalion; the additional (motorised) battalion with another 12 150 mm howitzers is not listed.
..when I posted this...
and -
All First and Second Wave Armies were allocated one artillery regiment staff, a 10cm gun detachment (motorised), a heavy field howitzer detachment (motorised) and a reconnaissance detachment.
That last from Schenk on p.184 would hint at them being motorised before being allocated to the First and Second Wave Armies...
...that's what I was trying to reinforce for YOU, given your propensity to attrbute anything with wheels and an internal conbustion engine on the 35th ID loading scheme as being drawn from 35th ID's stocks over the last few pages. That's why I posted up BOTH references - and given that a couple of pages ago I DID post up -
35. Infanteriedivision (September 1939):
Infanterie-Regiment 34 (Stab, I.-III.)
Infanterie-Regiment 109 (Stab, I.-III.)
Infanterie-Regiment 111 (Stab, I.-III.)
Artillerie-Regiment 35 (Stab, I.-III.)
Artillerie-Regiment 71 (I.)
Beobachtungs-Abteilung 35
Pionier-Bataillon 35 -consisting of...
1. Kompanie 02912
2. Kompanie 03047
3. Kompanie 22185
Kolonne 05885
Brückenkolonne B ...
Feldersatz-Bataillon 35
Panzerabwehr-Abteilung 35
Aufklärungs-Abteilung 35
Infanterie-Divisions-Nachrichten-Abteilung 35
Infanterie-Divisions-Nachschubführer 35
...I was of course ENTIRELY unaware of 35th ID's
OWN divisional arty...
Yeah, right...
Rich picked up on that about them being
korpstruppen - and also the position with the 1. Lehr and the Bruecken-Baut Bataillionen. Can I suggest, Knouterer, that you sit down with the 35th ID loading diagram and work out what on that WASN'T a 35th ID asset rather than attributing first and automatically?
Regarding this -
Oh, sorry, yes of course it makes such an enormous difference. Let me correct that.
It is your assumption that the assault scales reported by Schenk is the Soll or Iststaerke the 35. Infanteriedivision alone.There is absolutely no basis for that. You apparently failed to note my final statement - or at least to acknowledge it. I assure you it was highly relevant and you should think again about the assumptions you are making.
Rich, if you look back, in the last few pages I've already noted at least twice, maybe more, that Schenk calls his list on P.188 "the strength of
A reorganised infantry battalion"...
Later in the book - I'll have to chase down the reference - he notes back that it refers to the 35th....and Knouterer has already confirmed the identity of the "example" reorganised ID on p.188 as being the 35th by the number of panzers...
But you'll note I've also called it a number of times a
thumbnail TO&E...not every reorganised infatry division is going to have
exactly the same numbers of everything on p.188...
The one thing however we DON'T know is
how Schenk came up with those figures...I.E. did he just
work backwards from the loading diagrams...
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