Er, 3 inches? Are you sure about that?phylo_roadking wrote:The draught for the peniche-based landing barges was .075 metres...remembering that that would be the depth at which the barge would ground; then plus the length of the landing ramp on a shelving beach....
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Typo now corrected.
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Re: Seelöwe: Lets discuss:- German barges, sunk by fighters?
I think you mean depending on how long they wait for the tide to fall!phylo_roadking wrote:
The draught for the peniche-based landing barges was 0.75 metres (typo corrected)...remembering that that would be the depth at which the barge would ground; then plus the length of the landing ramp on a shelving beach....
...and depending on the beach, it might not even have to wade after all
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Nope. For in THAT case, with the tide receeded, there would be less actual need for tracked tractors to be available to tow bogged-down vehicles out of the sand.
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A. Tucker-Jones in Hitlers Great Panzer Heist. (2007) p.59 says "The Germans also gained the remnants of a fleet of 6,000 tracked infantry carriers, which they employed as the infantry schlepper UE 630 (f). About half were sent to an assembly plant at Paris-Issy les Moulineaux and overhauled under the direction of the German company MAN (Maschinenfabrik Augsberg-Nurnberg)."
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Is it really a river, and had that UE anything to do with the mentioned middle of the water at the photo?phylo_roadking wrote:
Well, one can only wonder...
...what depth that river was in the middle!
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It could be a dyke, it could be flooded low land, or a river.
But given that the middle of a war isn't the time to be taking a piece of military equipment AND a gun for a joy ride, and there's an absence of beer, it's a fair assumption they were busy getting from one side of whatever-it-was to the other.
Otherwise, the best way to get from one place on the shore to another place on the same shore would be...along the shore.
But given that the middle of a war isn't the time to be taking a piece of military equipment AND a gun for a joy ride, and there's an absence of beer, it's a fair assumption they were busy getting from one side of whatever-it-was to the other.
Otherwise, the best way to get from one place on the shore to another place on the same shore would be...along the shore.
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...or something else, but basically that's now better.phylo_roadking wrote:It could be a dyke, it could be flooded low land, or a river.
If not knowing exactly, I think it's then an assumption.phylo_roadking wrote:ut given that the middle of a war isn't the time to be taking a piece of military equipment AND a gun for a joy ride, and there's an absence of beer, it's a fair assumption they were busy getting from one side of whatever-it-was to the other.
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Yes, if you look closely I did say it was an assumption.If not knowing exactly, I think it's then an assumption.But given that the middle of a war isn't the time to be taking a piece of military equipment AND a gun for a joy ride, and there's an absence of beer, it's a fair assumption they were busy getting from one side of whatever-it-was to the other.
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Actually just intersted in reality, not assumptions written as they were true:phylo_roadking wrote:I look forward to you giving a better explanation for them to be in said water obstacle...
Regards, Juhaphylo_roadking wrote:...what depth that river was in the middle!
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Hardly interested in reality if you can't tell us exactly what they were doing then, if they weren't crossing a water obstacle of some nature.
Given that I have, as I said, already noted that it was an assumption.
Given that I have, as I said, already noted that it was an assumption.
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If not knowing it is a river, I think it is better not to claim it is.phylo_roadking wrote:Hardly interested in reality if you can't tell us exactly what they were doing then, if they weren't crossing a water obstacle of some nature.
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Re: Seelöwe: Lets discuss:- German barges, sunk by fighters?
To me it looks like they are going along the side of a river or bank. I reckon it is just a PR shoot.
Re: Seelöwe: Lets discuss:- German barges, sunk by fighters?
On page 31 of "Hitler's Great Panzer Heist" (2007), A. Tucker-Jones says "By early July 1941, for the defence of the British Isles, the Army could muster 1,141 infantry and cruiser tanks; however, only 391 were considered fit for action. British repair facilities at this stage remained lamentable and a month later 25% of the infantry tanks were still out of action, as were 157 of the 400 cruiser tanks." If this was the situation in August 1941, how many (or what proportion of) Britsh tanks were serviceable a year earlier?
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I got the full text about the 1940 German geological and hydrographic maps of southern England
The hydrographic maps: https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B_JIBY ... 3kzVk12NGs
The geological maps: https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B_JIBY ... nc0aGRlaDA
The hydrographic maps: https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B_JIBY ... 3kzVk12NGs
The geological maps: https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B_JIBY ... nc0aGRlaDA