Operation Market Garden a success or failure

[Champymiddle]

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I just watched Bridge too Far and i was wondering whether OMG was a success or not and i would like people's opnions. Statistical data is welcome

[Qvist]

How exactly could it be called a success? It certainly was a failure according to the objectives of the plan itself.

cheers

[Andy H]

2/3rd's a success, 1/3 a failure, but it was very nearly a 100% success.

Andy H

[Rommel8]

I agree with Qvist, it was a failure.

How could the allied Intel fail to see a whole SS Panzer Korps move to what would be their primary objective?

[CHRISCHA]

The failure was in Arnhem.
Operation Market Garden could be classed as a success (ie. Eindhoven, Neimagjen), up to this last bridge, hence the name, 'A Bridge Too Far'.

[Witch-King of Angmar]

If Market Garden was a success, then Kursk was also a success according to the same logic

~The Witch King of Angmar

[Tom Houlihan]

I don't see how anyone could consider it anything other than a failure! The Paras got hammered, Michael Caine didn't make it all the way, er, I mean the ground element didn't reach Arnhem. What part worked?

[Andy H]

I mean the ground element didn't reach Arnhem. What part worked?

The capture of the Bridges at Nijmegan & Eindhoven and XXX Corps along the highway, though this was slower than hoped and eventually it didn't make it on time to Arnhem. The thrust of some 50 miles into German lines musn't be forgotten and the effect this had on the German front in Northern Holland.

Andy H

[Tom Houlihan]

Okay, I stand corrected. The overall operation consisted of 'Market' and 'Garden.' Neither operation was successful.
In no way did I mean to take away from the men who fought there. I helped a little with Bando's new book, and learned a helluva lot about the 101st and what they did in Holland. Yes, some elements of Market Garden were successful. The Operation, however, has to be considered a failure.

[Kugelblitz]

The Allied go too far in Europe thanks to 4 letters: USAF

[Aufklarung]

Not a complete success but to quote Meatloaf: "two outta three ain't bad"

regards
A

[Major Linden]

I don't see how anyone could consider it anything other than a failure! The Paras got hammered, Michael Caine didn't make it all the way, er, I mean the ground element didn't reach Arnhem. What part worked?

It`s never a good sign when one of the "leads" doesn`t make it...

Not like the good old days when John Wayne won the war single-handedly without ever having to reload!

[Champymiddle]

In the movie i saw a lot of german casualties, how many german casualties were there and how many allied casualties?

[MVSNConsolegenerale]

On paper you could make it look like a success. I think it was not however. even though they got 90% or their goals or whatever, the cost in equipment and lives makes it a failure to me. Imagine if in Normany 99% of the allies died in the invasion, does that make it a success, even if they got most of their objectives. If the germans had taken stalingrad before the pocket closed but had lost almost all their men, would that have been a success?

I don't think so in any of these cases. Operation Market Garden is similar to Napolean's adventure into Egypt; It looked good on paper, but was not a lasting victory. Due to the "partial success" of that campaign, the allies were in for a hard winter.

- MVSN

[Rafael]

"Both" would be the correct answer. I voted "Success".