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Re: Recommended reading on WW2 in Eastern Europe

Postby Qvist on 06 Aug 2012 13:26

No it wasn't. It wasn't traditional to construct a chain of death camps in order to industrially obliterate a whole race of people. It wasn't traditional to massacre millions by shooting in a few months. It wasn't traditional to plan the ethnic reconstruction of half of europe, with seismic demographic changes not seen this side of the centuries following the collapse of rome. It wasn't traditional for large industrialised societies to succumb to the total power of totalitarian movements run by an insane dictator. It wasn't traditional for central european powers to attempt to radically alter their geopolitcal status by expanding to a continental basis. It wasn't traditional to displace the rule of law and all traditional concepts of legitimacy in favor of a revolutionary new brand of nationalism masquerading as socialism. It wasn't traditional for the state to murder thousands of its own citizens considered unworthy to live through a state euthanasia program. The nazi regime was, by any reasonable definition of the word, revolutionary and exceptional. I know you think otherwise, but frankly, since you insist on pushing the subject, nobody with a grain of sense agrees with you, for reasons that are too obvious to them and too unlikely to make an impression on you to be worth the effort.

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Re: Recommended reading on WW2 in Eastern Europe

Postby Attrition on 06 Aug 2012 13:55

The means were novel in extent but the ends were not. Ask the Irish, the Seminoles and west Africans.

~~~~~I know you think otherwise, but frankly, since you insist on pushing the subject, nobody with a grain of sense agrees with you, for reasons that are too obvious to them and too unlikely to make an impression on you to be worth the effort.~~~~~

I think this was uncalled for.
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Re: Recommended reading on WW2 in Eastern Europe

Postby Qvist on 06 Aug 2012 17:32

Sorry about that, I agree the harshness was a bit uncalled for. I have nothing further to add to what I already said concerning the substance.

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Re: Recommended reading on WW2 in Eastern Europe

Postby Attrition on 06 Aug 2012 19:09

Fair enough, if people can't get a bit irate about nazism what can they get angry about? I see variations on an atrocious theme and you don't.
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Re: Recommended reading on WW2 in Eastern Europe

Postby Attrition on 08 Aug 2012 08:51

https://www.h-net.org/reviews/showrev.php?id=35935

Ben Shepherd. Terror in the Balkans: German Armies and Partisan Warfare. Cambridge: Harvard University Press, 2012. 384 pp. $45.00 (cloth), ISBN 978-0-674-04891-1.

[I have reservations about this book as War in the Wild East: The German Army and Soviet Partisans by Ben Shepherd is one of the worst written and worst edited (if at all) books I've read this century]

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On April 6, 1941, Germany armies invaded Yugoslavia after it had refused to join the Axis countries. Within eleven days, the Yugoslavian army surrendered and the country came under the control of the Nazi Empire. Almost immediately, Yugoslavian partisans organized themselves and began armed resistance against Nazi occupation. Throughout a conquered Europe, and also from 1941 in the territories taken over from the Soviet Union, Germany waged war against irregular forces, but Yugoslavia was an exceptional case because of the intensity of its resistance. Although the partisans in the Soviet Union constituted an operational problem for the German forces, partisan warfare was integrated within the total obdurate struggle between two giant armies. In Yugoslavia, in contrast, this was an irregular war that engaged German forces in an area clearly controlled by Germany. For the Soviet Union, the partisans were an auxiliary arm of the regular forces that was used to execute missions beyond enemy lines according to directions from Moscow, although this was not so at the beginning of the war. In Yugoslavia the partisans were the army. Ctd....
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Re: Recommended reading on WW2 in Eastern Europe

Postby Pips on 17 Aug 2012 00:40

Can anyone recommend books that deal with Soviet self-propelled (SU) units?

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Re: Recommended reading on WW2 in Eastern Europe

Postby Attrition on 31 Aug 2012 08:41

Kiev 1941: Hitler's Battle for Supremacy in the East by David Stahel

Read this by mistake after opening it for a quick look. Poor prose and a tendency to declaim rather than argue, doesn't detract too much from his contention that Barbarossa failed, as soon as the Red Army and Soviet regime didn't collapse of their own accord. The victory at Kiev was huge but not huge enough, because the Wehrmacht was incapable of a decisive victory without the help of the Soviet people as well as Stalin.

I would have preferred more analysis of Stalin's refusal to "see reason" and allow a retreat from Kiev while it was still possible - was incompetence all there was to it or was it a strategic dilemma with no solution?
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Re: Recommended reading on WW2 in Eastern Europe

Postby Attrition on 24 Apr 2013 18:50

http://etheses.whiterose.ac.uk/2911/1/Dissertation.pdf

The SS Cavalry Brigade and its operations in the Soviet Union, 1941-1942, Henning Herbert Pieper (2012)
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