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Ukrainian Front reported capturing:
Additionally Belorussian Front reported capturing 29,254 rifles alone (without carbines)
I wonder why this difference, carbines present in Ukraine, but not on Bielorussian front.
Besides, in polish there is no difference between these words. So I wonder what is what?
and carbines semiautomatic of some sort
If so, it indicates perhaps the better troops with some front-ability were concentrated in Ukrainian front
Domen121 wrote:There is a big difference:
rifle = karabin
carbine = karabinek = short rifle
Stephan wrote:Oh, I see. No semiautomatic but the short rifle karabinek...
Thus this short rifle would probably suggest a cavallerist. And together with these sabres and lances - definitely cavallery, but perhaps cavallery of different types, so you cant count them the classical way as the number of sabres = number of soldiers (Im not sure if all cavallery had sabres and or small cavallery rifles (carbines). There were both Ulans and Swolezers and others... I believe they had partly different equipment. Some had normal rifles and mainly an infantery equipment).
The polish cavallery of this time was no obsolete parade weapon, it was an elite well trained and equipped for quick marches also in bad terrain, and fight on foot or even entrenched but also on horseback if occasion arised.
Not their fault modern motorized infantry, tanks and planes were better still...
So another sign they had the best troops on the ukraininan front.
Bzura (most probably together with Kampinoska Forest) - 170,000 or: 8. Army - 92,300 + 10. Army - 87,000 = 179,300 (unless these are numbers since the beginning of the campaign - then 10. Army captured much fewer at the Bzura)
Some figures on the German booty (as reported by OKH GenStdH GenQu on 5/10/1939):
588,354 POWs (incl. 6 generals and 11,446 officers), among them 118,456 (incl. 5,031 officers) in Warschau, 42,000 (incl. 2,000 officers) Modlin, 4,500 (incl. 250 officers) Hela
1,596 field guns
7,681 machine guns
208,273 rifles (Gewehre)
506 grenade launchers
116 anti-tank guns
111 combat vehicles
armoured trains (Ukrainian Front):
- locomotives - 3
- armoured artillery platforms - 5
- guns / machine guns on these armoured artillery platforms - 12 / 32
- armoured control platforms - 1
- machine guns platforms - 1
- railway tanks - 1
But you know what? - I always have problems with making a reliable balance of this figure. Something seems to be wrong - either these figures or fragmentary figures from separated battles.
Njorl wrote:Domen121 wrote:Capitulation of Modlin - 42,000
What's the source for this number? It's twice the number I came across...
Domen121 wrote:According to calculations of Polish Ministry of National Defense from October of 1944, Polish casualties in combats against the Red Army in September and October of 1939 were around 20,000 killed or wounded soldiers. Number of Polish soldiers killed by the Red Army was most probably around 7,500 - 7,000, but this number could be even higher, as there were many cases of murdering Polish POWs by Soviet forces in September and October of 1939.
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