Russian tanks ramming German tanks?!

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Russian tanks ramming German tanks?!

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Post by jtemple507 » 24 Jan 2014, 22:42

I've heard many stories of this before. I've heard they were mostly accidental due to the poor optics of Russian tanks. Does anybody have any proof of these occurences, or the story behind the art below of a T-34 ramming a Panzer 38t? Note the large dent in the Panzer and also its seemingly missing track:
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Post by Davey Boy » 25 Jan 2014, 07:10

I heard this as well, in this doco about the battle of Kursk.

Battlefield S4 E1 - The Battle of Kursk

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=22xpNBJCS4U


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Post by StefanSiverud » 25 Jan 2014, 14:54

Read "Panzer Destroyer - Memoirs of a Red Army Tank Commander" by Vasily Krysov for several examples of intentional ramming.

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Post by Art » 25 Jan 2014, 16:07

1. Ramming was prescribed in relevant war-time manuals and regulations, though not as a primary anti-tank method.
2. There are accounts from the German side on intentional ramming, quite reliable as far as I can see.
Besides you can easily find pictures of Paks, cars and other materiel rammed and rolled over by Soviet tanks. That it was used against relatively soft vehicles is beyond doubt.

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Post by Ironmachine » 25 Jan 2014, 20:27

jtemple507 wrote:Does anybody have any proof of these occurences, or the story behind the art below of a T-34 ramming a Panzer 38t?
For what's worth, many examples of tank-ramming actions are mentioned here:
http://english.battlefield.ru/tank-ramming.html

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Post by Art » 26 Jan 2014, 17:17

I would tell you even more: there are accounts on German AVFs ramming Soviet:
27.6.1941 bei Lesniaki. Deiser russ. 52-t-Panzer (eigent-lich ein Artillerie-Trager mit 12,2 cm Kanone) sperrte die Vormarschstrasse. Unsere eigenen 3,7 und 5 cm Pak waren machtlos. Der Kommandant eines unseres Sturmgeschuts nahm den Kampf auf, aber auch seine Geschosse waren wirkungslos. Ein gegluckter Tieffer in der Turmdrehkranz behinderte die Bewegungs-freiheit, und mit einem Nachschuss aus der 7,5-cm Kanone beschadigte er das Fahrwerk, dann setzte er zum Rammstoss gegen den Sowjetpanzer an. Die tapfere russische Besatzung ergab sich nicht
That's a photo caption from Heinz F. Kruger «Bildband der rheinisch-pfaleischen 263.Infanterie-Division 1935-1945» (1962, Bad Nauheim: Podzun Velag) page 134. Taken from:
http://imf.forum24.ru/?1-9-0-00000056-000-80-0
Franz Kurowski describes the same episode in his book on Stugs. I'm not ready to assess its credibility.

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Post by Omeganian » 03 Feb 2014, 14:06

General Kuzma Galitsky reported a case of a KV literally rolling over a German tank and crushing it.

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Post by sjashford » 13 Feb 2014, 21:46

Monument outside the Polar Museum at Prokhorovka!

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Post by sjashford » 13 Feb 2014, 21:52

Ooops!
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Post by jtemple507 » 22 Feb 2014, 17:06

There's something messed up about that Tiger! And is that a Panzer III in the background in between the T34 and the Tiger?!
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Post by ChristopherPerrien » 23 Feb 2014, 04:45

It is two tigers and two t-34's.

If you google image searcH Monument Museum Prokhorovka you can find many varied perspectives and angles of the same.

Nice looking monument, IMO

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Post by jtemple507 » 24 Feb 2014, 13:33

Oh yeah I see it all now! Poor Tiger got crushed under all three tanks! :D
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