The Winter in Stalingrad

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Re: The Winter in Stalingrad

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Post by RJ55 » 17 Jan 2013, 17:07

All other things being equal, a large land mass means larger temperature extremes-oceans are the exact opposite.

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Re: The Winter in Stalingrad

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Post by ljadw » 17 Jan 2013, 18:50

OTOH,don't forget that minus 20 was not uncommon in East Prussia,Berlin,Silesia .


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Re: Lower temperatures

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Post by BDV » 18 Jan 2013, 03:08

The lower figures may take into account wind chill factor. Having to move in the open is definitely a disavantage. Also soviets, by having the initiative, could choose to strike during warmer spells while cut off Axis forces had to run no matter what the weather.
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Re: The Winter in Stalingrad

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Post by Topspeed » 21 Feb 2013, 19:59

Didn't the Germans reach the Stalingrad already in late 1941 ?

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Re: The Winter in Stalingrad

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Post by ljadw » 21 Feb 2013, 20:06

??????
NO

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Re: The Winter in Stalingrad

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Post by Kingfish » 21 Feb 2013, 21:05

Map of the Eastern Front, from 12/06/41 to 5/7/42
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Re: The Winter in Stalingrad

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Post by NETSCAPE » 27 Apr 2017, 06:15

Art wrote:That is info on weather as recorded in military situation reports:
29.11 South-West Front – continuous cloudiness, occasional snowfall, temperature +3°C
30.11 Stalingrad Front – cloudiness at low and medium heights, 1000-1500 meters, temperature 0°C. Drifting of ice on Volga.
1.12 Stalingrad Front – cloudiness at low and medium heights, temperature °C.
3.12 Stalingrad Front – continuous cloudiness, temperature °C
4.12 Stalingrad Front – continuous low cloudiness, slight wind, temperature °C
5.12 Stalingrad Front – continuous cloudiness, wet snow, temperature from 0 to -2°C
6.12 Stalingrad Front – continuous low cloudiness, slight rain with snow, temperature from 0 to +2°C
7.12 Staligrad Front - continuous low cloudiness, temperature from -2 to -5°C
8.12 Stalingrad Front – low cloudiness, snowfall and rain, temperature from 0 to -2°C
9.12 Stalingrad Front - continuous low cloudiness, temperature from 0 to -2°C
10.12 Stalingrad Front – cloudiness 2-4 points, north-west wind 4-7 m/s, temperaturefrom -5 to -8°C
11.12 Don Front – cloudiness 4-8 points, temperature from -6 to -9°C. Stalingrad Front – continuous cloudiness, temperature -6°C
12.12 Don Front – cloudiness 2 points, temperature from -3 to -4 °C. Stalingrad Front – cloudiness 2 points, temperature from -2 to -5°C
13.12 Don Front - clear, temperature from -3 to -8°C. Stalingrad Front – clear, temperature from 0 to -3°C
14.12 Don Front – cloudiness 10 points, temperature from +1 to -1°C. Don Front – cloudiness 10 points, temperature 0 to +2°C
15.12 Don Front – continuous cloudiness, temperature from +2 to -2°C. Stalingrad Front – continuous cloudiness, temperature +2°C
16.12 Don Front – cloudiness up to 10 points, occasional fog, temperature -5°C. Stalingrad Front – continuous cloudiness, temperature - 7°C
17.12 Don Front – clear, temperature from -13 to -18°C. Stalingrad Front – clear, temperature -12°C
18.12 Stalingrad Front – clear, temperature from -8 to -10°C
19.12 Don Front – cloudiness 6-10 points, temperature from -4 to -10°C. Stalingrad Front – cloudiness 8 points at 1000-1500 meters, temperature from -6 to -8°C
20.12 Don Front – cloudiness 7-10 points, temperature from -5 to -9°C. Stalingrad Front – continuous cloudiness at 1000-1500 meters, temperature from -3 to -6°C
21.12 Don Front – cloudiness 10 points, temperature from -6 to -15°C. Stalingrad Front – cloudy, temperature -5°C
22.12 Stalingrad Front – low clouds, temperature -2°C
23.12 Don Front – cloudiness 10 points, snowfall, temperature from -1 to -6°C. Stalingrad Front – continuous low cloudiness, temperature -3°C
24.12 Don Front – cloudiness 10 points, fog, temperature from -3 to -5°C. Stalingrad Front – continuous low cloudiness, occasional slight snowfall, temperature from -3 to -6°C
25.12 Don Front – cloudiness 6-10 points, clear in some places, temperature from -13 to -20°C. Stalingrad Front – cloudiness diminishing to completely clear sky, temperature -6°C
26.12 Don Front – clear, temperature from -15 to -19°C. Don Front – clear, temperature from -11 to -17°C
27.12 Don Front – cloudiness 5-7 points, temperature from -13 to -21°C. Stalingrad – diminishing cloudiness, temperature from -12 to -4°C
28.12 Don Front – clear, temperature from -11 to -20°C. Stalingrad Front – clear, from -6 to -8°C
29.12 Don Front – clear, temperature from -10 to -19°C. Stalingrad Front – clear, temperature -10°C
30.12 Don Front – cloudiness 10 points, temperature from -8 to -14°C. Stalingrad Front – on the northern sector continuous cloudiness, temperature from -10 to -12°C. On the southern sector – clear, temperature from -1 to -2°C
31.12 Don Front – cloudiness 10 points, occasional snowfall, temperature from -4 to -5°C. Stalingrad Front – clear, temperature from -6 to -8°C
1.1 Don Front – cloudiness 10 points, temperature from -2 to -5°C
2.1 Don Front – cloudiness 10 points, temperature from +2 to -2°C
3.1 Don Front – cloudiness 9-10 points, temperature from -2 to -6°C
4.1 Don Front – cloudiness 5-10 points, temperature from -6 to -11°C
5.1 Don Front – cloudiness 3-5 points, temperature from -10 to -18°C
6.1 Don Front – cloudiness 10 points, occasional snowfall, temperature from -10 to -17°C
7.1 Don Front – cloudiness 5-10 points, haze, temperature from -6 to -12°C
8.1 Don Front – cloudiness 8-10 points, blizzards in some places, temperature from 0 to -3°C
9.1 Don Front – cloudiness 10 points, fog, temperature from -3 to -6°C
10.1 Don Front – cloudiness 7-10 points, temperature from -2 to -5°C
11.1 Don Front – cloudiness 10 points, temperature from -1 to -7°C
12.1 Don Front – cloudiness 3-10 points, snowfall in places, temperature from -10 to -19°C
13.1 Don Front – cloudiness 8-10 points, temperature from -10 to -18°C
14.1 Don Front – cloudiness 9-10 points, occasional snowfall, temperature from -16 to -25°C
15.12 Don Front - clear, temperature from -23 to -28°C
16.12 Don Front - clear, temperature from -22 to -32°C
17.12 Don Front – clear, temperature -20°C
18.12 Don Front – clear, temperature from -17 to -28°C
19.12 Don Front - cloudiness 10 points, temperature from -10 to -19°C
20.12 Don Front – cloudiness 10 points, temperature from -1 to -14°C
21.12 Don Front – cloudiness 10 points, temperature from -8 to -13°C
22.12 Don Front – cloudiness 10 points, occasional snowfall, temperature from -6 to -13°C
23.12 Don Front – cloudiness 10 points, slight snowfall, haze, temperature from -11 to -20°C
24.1 Don Front – low cloudiness, temperature from 0 to -7°C
25.1 Don Front – clear, temperature from -19 to -25°C
26.1 Don Front – clear, temperature from -13 to -20°C
27.1 Don Front – clear, slight snowfall, occasional fog, temperature from -16 to -27°C
28.1 Don Front – clear, temperature from -14 to -28°C
29.1 Don Front – cloudiness 9-10 points, temperature from -13 to -23°C
30.1 Don Front – cloudiness 9-10 points, temperature from -12 to -24°C
31.1 Don Front – temperature from -5 to -18°C
1.2 Don Front – cloudiness 6-10 points, occasionally clear, temperature from -13 to -22°C
Stalingrad Front - area east and south of Stalingrad, Don Front - north-west of Stalingrad from 1 January 1942 - all area around Stalingrad. So November and the most part of December 1942 were pretty mild, but January was colder than usual.
Is it possible to get weather data like this from mid August up to the dates you've already provided? Or link to source? thanks

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Re: The Winter in Stalingrad

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Post by Art » 27 Apr 2017, 08:42

I guess, it's possible after digging some docs a little.

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Re: The Winter in Stalingrad

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Post by Art » 03 May 2017, 19:19

These are weather records from several source as indicated

South-East Front, situation reports
13.8 Clear. Visibility 4-10 km. Wind: calm during the morning, by the end of the day – north-east 2-3 m/s. Temperature: morning – 13-15 0C, day – 26-29 0C
14.8 Clear. Visibility 10-20 km. Wind: from the morning NE 2-3 m/s, by the end of the day – E 5-6 m/s. Temperature: morning 14-150C, day – 25-290C
15.8 Clear in the morning, during the day cumulus clouds at 1000-1500 m 2-3 points of 10. Visibility 10-20 km. Wind: ENE 4-5 m/s. Temperature: morning – 15-19 0C, day - 24-300C
16.8 Clear. Visibility 10-20 km. Wind: E and NE 3-5 m/s. Temperature: morning – 19-20 0C, day – 27-30 0C
17.8 Clouds 0-3/10 points at 1000-1500 m. Visibility 6-10 km. Wind E and NE 2-5 m/s. Temperature: morning – 17-19 0C, day 28-34 0C
18.8 Low clouds 8-10/10 points at 600-1000 m, rare light rains. Visibility 4-10 km. Wind – E 2-4 m/s. Temperature: morning – 17-190C, day - 23-27 0C
19.8 In the morning continuous clouds at 400-800 m, rains. Visibility 4-6 km. Wind SE 3-4 m/s. Temperature: morning – 15-18 0C, day – 16-23 0C
20.8 Clouds 7-8/10 points at 600-1000 m, occasional light rains. Visibility 4-6 km, during rains 2-4 km. Wind: morning E 2-4 m/s, sometimes 8 m/s, end of the day – NE 3-5 m/s. Temperature: morning – 18-20 0C , day 21-24 0C.
21.8 Clouds 4-8/10 points at 1000-1500 m. Visibility 10-20 km. Wind SE 5-7 m/s. Temperature 22-25 0C
22.8 Cumulus clouds 0-4/10 points at 600-1000 m. visibility 4-10 km. Wind W 3-4 m/s. Temperature: morning 14-16 0C, day 21-25 0C.
23.8 Clear in the morning, during the day cumulus clouds 4-8/10 points at 1000-1500 m. Visibility 4-10 km. Wind NW 1-2 m/s. Temperature: morning – 11-13 0C , day 20-25 0C
24.8 Cumulus clouds 6-8/10 at 1000-1200 m. Visibility 4-10 km. Wind NW 5-7 m/s. Temperature: morning - 9-12 0C, day 19-24 0C.
25.8 Clear in the morning, during the day clouds 7-8/10 at 1000-1200 m. visibility 4-10 km. Wind NW 3-5 m/s. Temperature: morning – 13-17 0C , day – 22-26 0C.
26.8 Clear, alternating wind 1-3 m/s. Temperature: morning – 12-16 0C, day 23-25 0C.
27.8 Clear, alternating wind 1-4 m/s, sometimes calm. Temperature: morning – 12-15 0C, day 21-25 0C.
28.8 Occasional clouds at 800-1500 m. Wind SE 1-3 m/s, sometimes calm. Temperature: morning – 12-15 0C, day 23-27 0C.
29.8 Clouds 5-6/10 at 800-1500 m. Wind NW 2-4 m/s. Temperature: morning 12-15 0C, day 24-26 0C
30.8 Continuous clouds, occasional rain. Wind SW 1-3 m/s. Temperature: morning 12-16 0C.

Stalingrad Front, war diary and situation reports:
4.9 Clear. Temperature 19-23 0C.
5.9 Clear, sometime clouds. NE wind 2-3 m/s. Temperature 18-24 0C.
7.9 Clouds 3-8/10. N wind 1-4 m/s. Temperature: night 5-12 0C, day 23-26 0C.
8.9 Partly cloudy. W wind 1-2 m/s. Temperature 20-23 0C.
9.9 Clear, calm. Temperature (night) 14-16 0C.
10.9 Clouds 3-7/10. Alternating wind 2-3 m/s. Temperature 20-29 0C.
11.9 Clear, sometimes clouds 3-7/10. Alternating wind 2-3 m/s, sometimes calm. Temperature 23-27 0C.
12.9 Clear. NW wind 4-6 m/s. Temperature: night 7-140C, day 23-25 0C.
13.9 Clear. N wind 3-7 m/s. Temperature: night 8-10 0C, day 23-26 0C.
14.9 Clouds 7-10/10. Occasional light rain. SW wind 2 m/s. Temperature: night 8-14 0C, day 22-26 0C
15.9 Clouds 7-8/10. Night rain. NW wind 7-11 m/s. Temperature: night 4-10 0C, day 8-12 0C.
16.9 Clouds 3-8/10, NW wind 5-8 m/s. Temperature: night 4-7 0C, day 10-14 0C.
17.9 Clear, sometime clouds 1-2/10. NW and W wind 4-6 m/s. Temperature: night 3-10 0C, day 10-16 0C.
18.9 Clouds 6-8/10. Wind 5-7 m/s. Temperature: night 3-5 0C, day 15-20 0C.
19.9 Clouds 2-3/10. SW wind 2-5 m/s. Temperature: night 9-12 0C, day 17-25 0C.
20.9 Clouds 4-6/10, sometimes clear. Light rain in the night. NW wind 3-5 m/s. Temperature: night 9-11 0C, day 14-21 0C.
21.9 Clouds 5-10/10. W wind 4-8 m/s. Temperature: night 8-12 0C, day 17-20 0C.
22.9 Clear, sometimes clouds 1-2/10. W wind 1-5 m/s. Temperature: night -2 to 4 0C, day 9-190C
23.9 Clear, sometimes clouds 1-3/10. SE wind 1-3 m/s. Temperature: night 0-4 0C, day 12-18 0C.
24.9 Clear. S and SW wind 2-6 m/s. Temperature: night -3 to 3 0C, day 15-20 0C.
25.9 Clear. S wind 2-4 m/s. Temperature (day) 17-20 0C.
26.9 Clear. Calm. Temperature: night 4-12 0C, day 18-25 0C.
27.9 Clear. Temperature (day) 16-25 0C.
28.9 Clear Temperature (day) 22-28 0C.
29.9 Clear, sometimes clouds 2-3/10. Temperature (day) 19-25 0C.
30.9 Clear. Visibility 10-20 km. E wind 6-9 m/s. Temperature: night -3 0C, day 15-17 0C.

War diary of the Stalingrad Front
1.10 Clear. Visibility 10-15 km. Alternating light wind. Temperature 17 0C.
2.10 Clear. Visibility 4-10 km. NW wind 1-3 m/s. Temperature 18-20 0C.
3.10 Clouds 8-10/10. Visibility 4-10 km. Calm. Temperature: 10C at night, day – 19-22 0C.
4.10 Clear. Visibility 4-10 km. SE wind 2-4 m/s. Temperature – max 21 0C.
5.10 Clouds 5-8/10 at 1500 m. Visibility 4-6 km. NW wind 3-5 m/s. Temperature 15-18 0C.
6.10 Clear. Visibility 10-15 km. W wind 2-3 m/s. Temperature 17-19 0C.
7.10 Layered clouds 4-6/10. visibility 6-10 km. SW wind 3-5 m/s. Temperature 19-23 0C.
8.10 High clouds 4-6/10. Visibility 10-15 km. NW wind 4-6 m/s. Temperature: day 13-15 0C, evening – 3-5 0C.
9.10 High clouds 5-8/10, clear at night. W wind 3-7 m/s. Visibility 4-10 km. Temperature: day 13-17 0C, night 4-7 0C.
10.10 Medium clouds 2-3/10. Visibility 1-10 km. SW wind 5-8 m/s. Temperature: day 21-25 0C, night – 8-11 0C.
11.10 Clear. Visibility 10-15 km. Calm. Temperature 21-26 0C.
12.10 High clouds 2-4/10. Visibility 6-10 km. Temperature 20-24 0C. Night: cloudy, light rain, 5-7 0C.
13.10 Cloudy, occasional rain. Visibility 2-5 km. SE wind 1-2 m/s. Temperature 8-13 0C. Clear at night.
14.10 Clouds 4-6/10 at 2000 m. NW wind 4-6 m/s. Temperature 14-15 0C.
15.10 Clouds 5-10/10 up to 2000 m. Visibility 4-10 km. Calm. Temperature: day 12-15 0C, night 10C.
16.10 High clouds 5-10/10 at 1000-1500 m. Light wind. Temperature 13-15 0C.
17.10 Low and medium clouds 5-8/10 at 600-1000 m. Visibility 10-20 km. S wind 1-3 m/s. Temperature 15-16 0C. Night: light fog, light rain, visibility 4-10 km, SE wind 3-5 m/s, 5 0C.
18.10 Low and medium clouds 7-10/10 at 300-600 m. Occasional rains. Visibility 4-10 km. S wind 4-7 m/s. Temperature: day 13-15 0C, night – 2-5 0C.
19.10 Day: clouds 10/10 at 200-300 m. Occasional rain. Visibility 4-10 km. S wind 5-7 m/s. Temperature 7-12 0C. Night: clouds 10/10 at 300-100 m, light rain, visibility 4-10 km, NW wind 2-4 m/s. Temperature 4-9 0C
20.10 Low and medium clouds 4-10/10. Visibility 4-10 km. W wind 2-6 m/s. Temperature 8-10 0C.
21.10 Clouds 4-10/10. Visibility 10-20 km. W wind 3-5 m/s. Temperature 9-13 0C. Night: cloudy, light rain, SW wind 1-2 m/s, temperature 1-3 0C.
22.10 Low and medium clouds 8-10/10. visibility 4-10 km, occasional light rain. S wind 2-4 m/s. Temperature 11-13 0C.
24.10 Low and medium clouds 2-6/10, sometimes clear. Visibility 10-15 km. W wind 1-3 m/s. Temperature 9-18 0C. Night: clear, local fig, good visibility. NE wind 1-3 m/s, temperature 0-5 0C.
25.10 Clear, calm, good visibility. At night small clouds, calm, 3 0C.
26.10 Clear. SE wind 2-5 m/s. Temperature: day 15-18 0C, night 5 0C.
27.10 Clear, visibility 6-10 km. NE wind 3-5 m/s. Temperature 0-4 0C.
28.10 Occasional clouds. Visibility 10-20 km. E wind 3-6 m/s. Temperature; day 10-14 0C, night 2-5 0C.
29.10 Low and medium clouds 0-10/10. Visibility 10-20 km. E wind 3-5 m/s, max 8 m/s. Temperature 8-12 0C.
30.10 Low and medium clouds 7-10/10 at 600-1000 m. Visibility 6-10 km. Occasional light rain. E wind 2-5 m/s. Temperature 8-10 0C. At night low clouds 10/10 at 600-1000 m, occasional light rain. NW wind 2-5 m/s.
31.10 Low clouds 4-8/10 at 1000-1500 m. Visibility 4-10 km. NE wind 1-3 m/s. Temperature 7-12 0C. Night: clear, -2 to +2 0C.
1.11 High and medium clouds 2-7/10, sometimes clear. Visibility 10-20 km. W wind 2-5 m/s, sometime calm. Temperature: day 12-15 0C, night -3 to 50C
2.11 Fog in the morning, clear during the day. Visibility 10-20 km. NW wind 1-2 m/s. Temperature 12-15 0C.
3.11 Clear. Visibility 10-20 km. Light wind, mostly calm. Temperature 12-16 0C. Nigh: SE wind 1-2 m/s, mostly calm, -3 to 2 0C.
4.11 Clear, occasional clouds 1-2/10. visibility 10-20 km. Light wind, mostly calm. Temperature: day 12-15 0C, night -2 to 3 0C.
5.11 Medium and high clouds 5-10/10 at 1000-1500 m, sometimes completely clear. SW wind 2-4 m/s. Temperature: day 12-15 0C, night 0-4 0C.
6.11 Medium and low clouds up to 10/10 at 300-600 m, short rains, snow in the morning. Visibility 6-10 km. SW wind 1-3 m/s, at night NW 3-5 m/s, max 10 m/s. Temperature: day 10-12 0C, night -2 to -6 0C.
7.11 Mostly clouds at 360 m. Occasional light snow, Visibility 4-6 km. N wind 3-7 m/s. Temperature -6 to -3 0C.
8.11 Mostly clear. Visibility 10-20 km. N wind 3-6 m/s. Temperature: day -6 to -8 0C, night -12 to -140C
9.11 Clear, good visibility. NE wind 3-5 m/s. Temperature: day -80C, night -16 to -140C.
10.11 Clear, good visibility. NE wind 2-5 m/s. Temperature: day -4 to 2 0C, night -14 to -12 0C.
11.11 Clear, visibility 6-10 km. NE wind 3-6 m/s. Temperature -14 to -12 0C. Ice drift on Volga.
12.11 Cloudy, sometimes completely clear. Good visibility. E wind 3-7 m/s. Temperature: day 00C, night -12 to -6 0C.
13.11 Clear, visibility 10-15 km. E wind 3-5 m/s, max 9 m/s. Temperature: day -3 to 0 0C, night -13 to -10 0C.
14.11 Clear, good visibility. NE wind 3-6 m/s. Temperature day 00C, night -13 to -10 0C.
15.11 Low clouds 10/10, clear in the second half of the day. Visibility 10-15 km, light snow. NE wind 2-4 m/s. Temperature: night -11 to -8 0C, day -3 to 00C.
16.11 Clear, visibility 10-15 km. E wind 3-5 m/s, sometime calm. Temperature 00C.
17.11 Clouds 10/10 at 100-300 m. Fog, visibility 1-2 km, 200-300 m in the fog. SE wind 3-6 m/s. Temperature: day max 50C, night 0-30C.
18.11 Low clouds 10/10 at 200-600 m, sometimes 100 m. Fog at night, visibility 200-300 m, drizzling rain during the day. Visibility 2-4 km. E wind 1-3 m/s, at night – W 2-3 m/s. Temperature: night 0-3 0C, day 4-6 0C.
19.11 Low continuous clouds at 300-600 m. Visibility 4-10 km. Alternating wind 1-2 m/s. Temperature: night 0-3 0C, day -1 to +2 0C.
20.11 Clouds 10/10 at 100-300 m. Visibility 2-4 km, 1 km in fog. Light SE wind, sometimes clam. Temperature 00C.
21.11 Low clouds 10/10. Fog at night and morning. Drizzling rain and snow. Visibility 4-10 km, 2 km in fog/rain. NW wind 2-4 m/s. Temperature: night -4 to 00C, day 00C.
22.11 Clouds 10/10 at 300-600 m. Occasional light snow. Visibility 4-10 km. N wind 2-5 m/s. Temperature -7 to -4 0C.
23.11 Clouds 10/10 at 300-600 m. Haze in the morning. Visibility 4-10 km. NW and N wind 3-5 m/s. Temperature: -7 to -3 0C.
24.11 Clouds 10/10 at 600-1000 m. Occasional light snow. During the day mostly clear. Visibility 4-10 km. Wind: night N 2-4 m/s, day – calm. Temperature: night -9 to -3 0C, day -3 to -1 0C.
25.11 Clouds 10/10 at 600-1000 m. Sometimes fog and light snow. Visibility 4-10 km, 2 km in the fog. Calm. Temperature -4 to 2 0C.
26.11 Continuous clouds at 600-1000 m, sometimes light snow, fog in the southern area. Visibility 4-10 km. SW wind 2-4 m/s. Temperature -2 to 0 0C.
27.11 Continuous low clouds at 50-150 m. Rain and snow in the evening. Visibility 2-4 km. W wind 7-12 m/s. Temperature: night 4 0C, day 2 0C.
28.11 Night: low continuous clouds at 100-300 m, rain and snow. Day: high clouds 2-3/10, good visibility. W wind 7-9 m/s. Temperature -5 to -3 0C.
29.11 Low continuous clouds. Sometimes wet snow and rain. Visibility 4-10 km. SE wind 5-8 m/s, max 12 m/s. Temperature 3-5 0C.
30.11 Low and medium clouds 7-10/10 at 600-1000 m. Visibility 4-10 km. Light wind. Temperature -3 to 0 C.

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Re: The Winter in Stalingrad

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Post by FORBIN Yves » 10 Feb 2019, 13:04

A question especialy for tanks movement what could be the thickness of ice on the main majors rivers and minors in the area Kursk - Voronezh and up to North Caucasus, Manytch river during november 42 - march 43 some infos ofc ?

Especialy Don was very frozen in december 42 and January 43 ?

IIRC need about 30 cm of ice for a Pz III/IV, T-34 about 30 tons pass.

For minor rivers i know Aksai during Wintergewitter was not too frozen Germans need to built bridge with engineer but also temperatures was not too cold during Wintergewitter.

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Re: The Winter in Stalingrad

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Post by Art » 10 Feb 2019, 14:49

I believe the Don River was frozen in mid-December so that men can walk on ice. That follows from an accounts on operations at Don-Chir confluence. Later in the end of December light tanks (T-60/70) of the 2 Guards Mechanized Corps were able to cross the Don on ice at Verkhne-Kurmoyarksaya, whereas T-34 were waiting for crossings made by engineers.

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