Soviet vs. German losses in WWII

[Kunikov]

we are talking casualties –we are thinking “Qvist”; we are talking “Qvist “ we are thinking casualties;

And what is your opinion so far?

[Deine-Zukunft]

from June 26th until August 9th 1944

16,924 Finnish dead

6,018 Russian dead

I must missunderstood or your just kidding me

in another case that cant be true

[Kunikov]

from June 26th until August 9th 1944

16,924 Finnish dead

6,018 Russian dead

I must missunderstood or your just kidding me

in another case that cant be true

There were two fronts, the Leningrad suffered 6,018 and the Karelian 16,924 KIA. Again, I do not know to what capacity the Leningrad front was involved in the fighting with Finland. The Baltic fleet also lost 732 men.

[Andreas]

Not at all sure what you mean, can you explain?

The operations you provide the info for cover only a few days. Additionally, Petsamo-Kirkenes was purely against the Germans, and I am not certain about the Polyarnoe/Karelian Operation. I believe that is the one called 'Northern Defense' in Glantz 'When Titans Clashed' - in which case that would have also been against Army of Norway attacking in the Arctic.

In any case, casualties happened outside the big operations too, and in significant numbers, therefore real Soviet KIA against the Finns were certainly much higher than the 100,000 accounted for in the two big operations you list.

All the best

Andreas

[Kunikov]

Not at all sure what you mean, can you explain?

The operations you provide the info for cover only a few days. Additionally, Petsamo-Kirkenes was purely against the Germans, and I am not certain about the Polyarnoe/Karelian Operation. I believe that is the one called 'Northern Defense' in Glantz 'When Titans Clashed' - in which case that would have also been against Army of Norway attacking in the Arctic.

In any case, casualties happened outside the big operations too, and in significant numbers, therefore real Soviet KIA against the Finns were certainly much higher than the 100,000 accounted for in the two big operations you list.

All the best

Andreas

And where does one get numbers for those 'outside' operations?

[Deine-Zukunft]

Kunikov,what do you think if Hitler would had started barbarossa in may 1941.Do you think germans would had moscow end of the fall.

[Andreas]

from June 26th until August 9th 1944

16,924 Finnish dead

6,018 Russian dead

I must missunderstood or your just kidding me

in another case that cant be true

You have misunderstood. Karelian Front was a Soviet army group, it suffered 16,924 KIA. Leningrad Front was another Soviet Army Group, it suffered 6,018 KIA. They have to be added to arrive at Soviet KIA for the period and the Finnish attack.

All the best

Andreas

[Kunikov]

Kunikov,what do you think if Hitler would had started barbarossa in may 1941.Do you think germans would had moscow end of the fall.

He would not have been able to start in May because of the extra long rain season, his tanks would have been bogged down as they were in October and he would have lost faster than he did in reality, when he invaded on June 22nd.

[Andreas]

And where does one get numbers for those 'outside' operations?

Total losses minus losses accounted for by major operations. Not exactly robust science, I admit.

All the best

Andreas

[Deine-Zukunft]

Yes but if the weather would have been great.Great as in summer.

[Kunikov]

Yes but if the weather would have been great.Great as in summer.

It wasn't, I don't like to spend time on 'what if's.' I'd rather understand what really happened and why.

[Andreas]

This is the post where I tell everyone to stay on topic. What-ifs about Barbarossa in May are not on-topic.

Thank you.

Andreas

[Kunikov]

And where does one get numbers for those 'outside' operations?

Total losses minus losses accounted for by major operations. Not exactly robust science, I admit.

All the best

Andreas

So you're saying that if one were to add up all the operations undertaken by the Red Army, then subtract the number of total losses for the Red Army in WWII, we would be left with these 'outside' operations?

[Andreas]

So you're saying that if one were to add up all the operations undertaken by the Red Army, then subtract the number of total losses for the Red Army in WWII, we would be left with these 'outside' operations?

Well no. The number you are left with is the number not accounted for by the major operations. It is really a very rough approximation. Try to do a search for this - there was a long thread in which Qvist mentioned this, unless I am getting senile.

All the best

Andreas

[Deine-Zukunft]

Ok sorry for offtopicing but im just interested to hear example russian version about barbarossa and just simply interested to chat about interesting "what ifs" about ww2.

Oh and btw.I have read a book about barbarossa.Not sure who had it written.There was crazy stories about this ss-officer who shot tens and tens russians in winter mg42 by himself.